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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7065183" data-attributes="member: 28301">How does rolling for ability scores encourage &quot;rampant cheating?&quot;&nbsp; That's stupid, and no one would play with a cheater.&nbsp; Besides, you roll for ability scores right in front of everyone else, how do you&nbsp; rampantly cheat?&nbsp; I have never seen rampant cheating in a D&amp;D game, I don't think that word means what you think it means.&nbsp; We have been using an online dice roller, our DM just sends them out now since its easier.&nbsp; What does point buy add?&nbsp; Level playing field?&nbsp; I didn't know that D&amp;D had a level playing field problem that needed to be addressed, I haven't seen it in 40 years of playing.&nbsp; What is encourages is dump stats to be dumped and one-dimensional, specialized characters.I play with good, honest people who don't try to &quot;game&quot; the system... Maybe I have just been fortunate.The extreme min/max types I have played with in stores complain when a PC feat is used against them.&nbsp; Most of them &quot;know&quot; the monster doesn't normally have that ability, some will just blurt it out.&nbsp; The &quot;normal&quot; players go with it, but the min/max types feel like they have been screwed because they have optimized their character using their knowledge of the rulebooks as opposed to PC knowledge.&nbsp; If their PC dies they blame the DM and want to quit.&nbsp; As you agreed with, they don't play their PC as a person, they play it like its counter on the board in a military board game.&nbsp; These conversations always remind me a player we have who is GREAT because he is a min/maxer like the OP but hilarious about it.&nbsp; He had a fighter with the standard dump scores (DEX, INT and CHR) so in game his PC would blunder around in heavy armor continually trying things that required DEX checks (and failing at it) and try to shoehorn himself into social encounters using that bad CHR score on the theory that his PC was to dumb to know that he was really bad at those things.&nbsp; After failing the PC would then bluster about how great he was.&nbsp; Same guy played a non-violent, healer cleric of Asmodeus on the theory if he kept you alive long enough eventually you would fall into evil acts and he could then offer up your soul.&nbsp; Really kind of made the group.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7065183, member: 28301"] How does rolling for ability scores encourage "rampant cheating?" That's stupid, and no one would play with a cheater. Besides, you roll for ability scores right in front of everyone else, how do you rampantly cheat? I have never seen rampant cheating in a D&D game, I don't think that word means what you think it means. We have been using an online dice roller, our DM just sends them out now since its easier. What does point buy add? Level playing field? I didn't know that D&D had a level playing field problem that needed to be addressed, I haven't seen it in 40 years of playing. What is encourages is dump stats to be dumped and one-dimensional, specialized characters. I play with good, honest people who don't try to "game" the system... Maybe I have just been fortunate. The extreme min/max types I have played with in stores complain when a PC feat is used against them. Most of them "know" the monster doesn't normally have that ability, some will just blurt it out. The "normal" players go with it, but the min/max types feel like they have been screwed because they have optimized their character using their knowledge of the rulebooks as opposed to PC knowledge. If their PC dies they blame the DM and want to quit. As you agreed with, they don't play their PC as a person, they play it like its counter on the board in a military board game. These conversations always remind me a player we have who is GREAT because he is a min/maxer like the OP but hilarious about it. He had a fighter with the standard dump scores (DEX, INT and CHR) so in game his PC would blunder around in heavy armor continually trying things that required DEX checks (and failing at it) and try to shoehorn himself into social encounters using that bad CHR score on the theory that his PC was to dumb to know that he was really bad at those things. After failing the PC would then bluster about how great he was. Same guy played a non-violent, healer cleric of Asmodeus on the theory if he kept you alive long enough eventually you would fall into evil acts and he could then offer up your soul. Really kind of made the group. [/QUOTE]

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