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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7070560" data-attributes="member: 6799649">Well, if we're okay with anecdotal evidence...One of the reasons I didn't like 4E was point-buy and min-maxing going hand-in-hand.I joined a 4E club so that I could judge 4E for myself rather than just listening to other people. What I found was that I could tell what class a PC was (or give a very short list of possibilities) just by looking at the race of that PC. In all the time I played only myself and one other played a human PC. All the rest-and I do mean all-chose their race based on the racial stat bonuses which matched their class. If the race didn't give bonuses in both desired stats for the class then the combo was not considered. Once you saw what race the PC was you could look up the racial stat bonuses, cross reference with those classes that needed those two stats, and without exception every single PC was one of those classes for that race...apart from me and that one other guy. That other guy BTW was thought 'weird' because his best stat was only 14. We all thought there was something wrong with him.Of course, point-buy was mandatory. It is what enabled this travesty.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 7070560, member: 6799649"] Well, if we're okay with anecdotal evidence... One of the reasons I didn't like 4E was point-buy and min-maxing going hand-in-hand. I joined a 4E club so that I could judge 4E for myself rather than just listening to other people. What I found was that I could tell what class a PC was (or give a very short list of possibilities) just by looking at the race of that PC. In all the time I played only myself and one other played a human PC. All the rest-and I do mean all-chose their race based on the racial stat bonuses which matched their class. If the race didn't give bonuses in [I]both[/I] desired stats for the class then the combo was not considered. Once you saw what race the PC was you could look up the racial stat bonuses, cross reference with those classes that needed those two stats, and [I]without exception[/I] every single PC was one of those classes for that race...apart from me and that one other guy. That other guy BTW was thought 'weird' because his best stat was only 14. We all thought there was something wrong with him. Of course, point-buy was mandatory. It is what enabled this travesty. [/QUOTE]

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