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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7079862" data-attributes="member: 97077">Yep, me too. It's hard to say what the underlying issue is. I tried to peg it to fairness, at least with respect to Intelligence-dumping, in this thread or another. But there a lot of side objections that seem rooted elsewhere. I think some of it has to do with thinking acting is roleplaying and rules-as-physics combined in some part with just jerk behavior on the part of some players who are associated with min-maxing, but it's really just jerk behavior. Let's face it - our hobby is pretty rife with intelligent people whose social skills could use some polishing.I have run for a lot of pickup groups in both D&amp;D 4e and 5e since 2011 or so and that means having groups with varying experience and priorities. I've never had a serious problem. Sometimes you'll pick up a player with some behavioral issues, but even that is exceedingly rare in my experience. Even in my current campaign there are optimizers and folks who could barely get through making their characters with exactly zero effect on the game experience. I'm a pretty experienced DM and confident in my abilities, sure, but it can't all be me evening things out.Ultimately, I don't think this is a rational problem. It has all the hallmarks of an emotional one. There is some underlying, fundamental thing that gets some folks riled up. I just can't quite put my finger on it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7079862, member: 97077"] Yep, me too. It's hard to say what the underlying issue is. I tried to peg it to fairness, at least with respect to Intelligence-dumping, in this thread or another. But there a lot of side objections that seem rooted elsewhere. I think some of it has to do with thinking acting is roleplaying and rules-as-physics combined in some part with just jerk behavior on the part of some players who are associated with min-maxing, but it's really just jerk behavior. Let's face it - our hobby is pretty rife with intelligent people whose social skills could use some polishing. I have run for a lot of pickup groups in both D&D 4e and 5e since 2011 or so and that means having groups with varying experience and priorities. I've never had a serious problem. Sometimes you'll pick up a player with some behavioral issues, but even that is exceedingly rare in my experience. Even in my current campaign there are optimizers and folks who could barely get through making their characters with exactly zero effect on the game experience. I'm a pretty experienced DM and confident in my abilities, sure, but it can't all be me evening things out. Ultimately, I don't think this is a rational problem. It has all the hallmarks of an emotional one. There is some underlying, fundamental thing that gets some folks riled up. I just can't quite put my finger on it. [/QUOTE]

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