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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7080055" data-attributes="member: 6785785">Those odd numbers are suboptimal....yeesh.....<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Well, any problem with the game can be summarized as being an emotional one, really. System shortcomings and all that aside, any time there is an issue that arises between players at the table, it's more of a social thing than anything else. But that doesn't mean that the root cause of the social issue can't be the optimization/min-maxing angle.I said earlier in the thread several times that I mostly don't see either as a bad thing. But I do think it can be taken to an extreme and that when that happens, it can be an issue. But it really should be something that is more of an exception than a rule. If there is such disparity in player skill and also player expectation that one optimized PC upsets the players of the non-optimized PCs, there's a lot wrong with the group. But I don't think that any such instance is automatically &quot;oh there's something wrong with your group, clearly&quot; the way a lot of people seem to dismiss the issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7080055, member: 6785785"] Those odd numbers are suboptimal....yeesh..... :p Well, any problem with the game can be summarized as being an emotional one, really. System shortcomings and all that aside, any time there is an issue that arises between players at the table, it's more of a social thing than anything else. But that doesn't mean that the root cause of the social issue can't be the optimization/min-maxing angle. I said earlier in the thread several times that I mostly don't see either as a bad thing. But I do think it can be taken to an extreme and that when that happens, it can be an issue. But it really should be something that is more of an exception than a rule. If there is such disparity in player skill and also player expectation that one optimized PC upsets the players of the non-optimized PCs, there's a lot wrong with the group. But I don't think that any such instance is automatically "oh there's something wrong with your group, clearly" the way a lot of people seem to dismiss the issue. [/QUOTE]

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