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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4857762" data-attributes="member: 40961">For what its worth, I'm with you, johnnype.&nbsp; I think that drawing a connection between &quot;psions meditate to train their mind&quot; and &quot;kung fu monks meditate too&quot; and concluding that kung fu monks in kung fu stories are using some sort of eastern form of psionics is... crazy.&nbsp; Particularly given that that form of fantasy story pre-dates western &quot;psionics&quot; by centuries, if not millenia.&nbsp;I also question the wisdom of a taking psionics and removing the anachronisms.&nbsp; There's been mental magic in myth and legend for a long, long time, but &quot;psionics&quot; in any sense of the term was a revision created relatively recently and set in direct opposition to regular superstition and magic.&nbsp; It was a &quot;sciency&quot; vision of magic that was supposed to be &quot;actually real&quot; by those who pretended to practice it, or who popularized it.&nbsp; Taking it and then returning it to the medieval age just doesn't quite work for me.&nbsp;I don't know, I'm a little frustrated by the monk, one of my favorite classes, getting shoehorned into somewhere he darn well doesn't fit.&nbsp; Its just fanboy-ism, and whatever, as long as people like it, I guess its fine and I'll live with it.&nbsp; But I don't like it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4857762, member: 40961"] For what its worth, I'm with you, johnnype. I think that drawing a connection between "psions meditate to train their mind" and "kung fu monks meditate too" and concluding that kung fu monks in kung fu stories are using some sort of eastern form of psionics is... crazy. Particularly given that that form of fantasy story pre-dates western "psionics" by centuries, if not millenia. I also question the wisdom of a taking psionics and removing the anachronisms. There's been mental magic in myth and legend for a long, long time, but "psionics" in any sense of the term was a revision created relatively recently and set in direct opposition to regular superstition and magic. It was a "sciency" vision of magic that was supposed to be "actually real" by those who pretended to practice it, or who popularized it. Taking it and then returning it to the medieval age just doesn't quite work for me. I don't know, I'm a little frustrated by the monk, one of my favorite classes, getting shoehorned into somewhere he darn well doesn't fit. Its just fanboy-ism, and whatever, as long as people like it, I guess its fine and I'll live with it. But [I]I[/I] don't like it. [/QUOTE]

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