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<blockquote data-quote="trancejeremy" data-source="post: 6528573" data-attributes="member: 924">I don't think it always has been punitive. Or even existed, except as a straw man argument.Remember Erac's Cousin from the original Rogue's Gallery? Apparently he was an identical replacement to the original Erac that died.Beyond that, Raise Dead has been in the game since the 3 little booklets. How can a 20th level character permanently die in a party of other 20th level characters and there not be a cleric that has raise dead? (Or Resurrection). Or a Magic-User with Wish? Or even reincarnation? Again, the original Rogue's Gallery had two reincarnated characters (one as a Lizard man, the other as a Centaur)Even if they are lower level, surely there are 9th level clerics somewhere in the world able to cast raise dead for a fee.&nbsp; The first edition DMG has the price of a raise dead spell to be 1000 gp plus 500 gp per level of the spellcaster, so 5,500 gp. Surely most characters over say 4th level would have 5,500 gp on hand to get a party member raised?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="trancejeremy, post: 6528573, member: 924"] I don't think it always has been punitive. Or even existed, except as a straw man argument. Remember Erac's Cousin from the original Rogue's Gallery? Apparently he was an identical replacement to the original Erac that died. Beyond that, Raise Dead has been in the game since the 3 little booklets. How can a 20th level character permanently die in a party of other 20th level characters and there not be a cleric that has raise dead? (Or Resurrection). Or a Magic-User with Wish? Or even reincarnation? Again, the original Rogue's Gallery had two reincarnated characters (one as a Lizard man, the other as a Centaur) Even if they are lower level, surely there are 9th level clerics somewhere in the world able to cast raise dead for a fee. The first edition DMG has the price of a raise dead spell to be 1000 gp plus 500 gp per level of the spellcaster, so 5,500 gp. Surely most characters over say 4th level would have 5,500 gp on hand to get a party member raised? [/QUOTE]

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