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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6185334" data-attributes="member: 42582">I agree with this.I see the 4e-style presumed progression as a natural development of the "technicalisation" inherent in d20 - extending it from pure character build into consideratins of action resolution.Probably. I don't think I have that strong a handle on d20 as distinct from 3E and 4e. (Eg I see OGL Conan and Arcana Unearthed/Evolved as bascially 3E variants; and I don't know M&M, True20, Spycraft et al other than by reputation.)You hopefully can work out roughly what I think of as d20 from my comments above and upthread about "technicalisation" and associated fiddliness.Agreed. It's "free descriptor" via long, fiddly lists that you have to pay professional designers to get right! ie it's a game design merged with a marketing strategy (which to me is pretty consistent with your opening post that I replied to upthread, about d20 being a way of dripfeeding PC elements - more than a side effect, I would say, but still not sure it's the whole purpose on the game side - it probably is the whole purpose on the marketing side, though miniatures and battlemaps are another marketing purpose).Although I see 4e more as a rational development than a containment device, I'm sure you're right that Trailblazer is closer to the 3E ethos.</blockquote>