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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasin" data-source="post: 4588699" data-attributes="member: 7531">And I'm saying there's a fundamental difference between the mindset of a hero, and the mindset of a designer of a framework which is to rely on randomization and expected to produce stories which we characterize as heroic.I don't think that adage is true in the sense in which you think it's true.You're starting to sound like Sphinx from Mystery Men.No man grows brave through ignorance of statistics either.You're starting to sound like... well, pretty much anyone from Vance.I, on the other hand, have played in games where the odds were genuinely against the PCs and there was no fudging. Some of it has been fun, and there were even rare moments of genuine heroism, but mostly we've written up something like the Assassin Who Fell Down the Stairs and Was Paralyzed For Life, the Monk Who Couldn't Punch Through Plate Armour, the Battle-Priest Who Tripped On His Own Chainmail, and the Few Good Men Who Got Eaten By a Random Encounter Giant Slug.Consistently going against the odds results in consistent failure, and consistent failure isn't what's associated in most people's minds with heroism. It's associated with lack of wisdom and lack of competence.Ah, that was humour? I mistook it for snideness.</blockquote>