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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9130679" data-attributes="member: 7006">I think it doesn't matter which book they are in.Any variant rules that appear in either the PHB or the DMG will need to be discussed with both DM and players beforehand and agreed upon their incorporation and use.&nbsp; And there is no rule that says variants that appear in the PHB are more &quot;valid&quot; for Players to force their views on the Dungeon Masters, nor variants in the DMG are under the DM's lock and key and they only get to decide, while the Players are just forced to suck it up.&nbsp; Regardless of the book... everyone should be agreeing on what variant rules they will choose to use.And if people from either side play with someone who thinks they DO get more of a say of which variants get incorporated into the game because of which book it appeared in... then those people should find new players to play with.&nbsp; Ones who actually know about compromise and not forcing their feelings on others without discussion.&nbsp; And WotC is under no obligation to change how they choose to print their books just because some players are jerks in that way and others expect WotC to &quot;protect&quot; them from those jerks.&nbsp; That's not WotC's problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9130679, member: 7006"] I think it doesn't matter which book they are in. Any variant rules that appear in either the PHB or the DMG will need to be discussed with both DM and players beforehand and agreed upon their incorporation and use. And there is no rule that says variants that appear in the PHB are more "valid" for Players to force their views on the Dungeon Masters, nor variants in the DMG are under the DM's lock and key and they only get to decide, while the Players are just forced to suck it up. Regardless of the book... everyone should be agreeing on what variant rules they will choose to use. And if people from either side play with someone who thinks they DO get more of a say of which variants get incorporated into the game because of which book it appeared in... then those people should find new players to play with. Ones who actually know about compromise and not forcing their feelings on others without discussion. And WotC is under no obligation to change how they choose to print their books just because some players are jerks in that way and others expect WotC to "protect" them from those jerks. That's not WotC's problem. [/QUOTE]

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