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<blockquote data-quote="Cactot" data-source="post: 4097256" data-attributes="member: 13700">Yes, any 5 year old can attempt it, and probably fail, and thats against a completely untrained fighter with zero desire to murder them.&nbsp; You change the situation to one where the person whom you are trying to trip wants to murder you and has the right tools to do it (weapons and/or teeth/claws) and the situation changes big time.&nbsp; Also doing a traditional karate sweep almost REQUIRES you to be unarmored, do you have any idea how difficult in full armor it would be to have adequate speed/power/balance that it wouldnt backfire on you.&nbsp; If you are not immensely fast it is an incredibly easy attack to counter, as you are crouched low, somewhat off balance and on one foot.&nbsp; At the same time the kind of power required (and yes, there is lots of power required to knock somebodies feet out from under them) would be something for specialists, and the one situation where the power would not be required (if you have absolutely perfect timing) is even more the realm of a specialist.&nbsp; The only way sweeps work in a real fight is if you are a vastly superior fighter, otherwise it would almost always be better to grapple if you want to take them to the ground.&nbsp; The idea of a non-specialist doing a sweep against a bigger/stronger/faster foe (say a 400# bugbear, or 800# grizzly) is laughable.&nbsp; That being said, there should be OPTIONS for all of the melee classes to be allowed to have those sweet skillz (or Fighter, Rogue, Paladin, Ranger, Barbarian, Monk at the very least, Cleric should probably have the option too) but I do not see that it should be a free-default ability for everybody, as it is an incredibly specialized and highly difficult skill, far more so than grappling, bull rushing, etc...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cactot, post: 4097256, member: 13700"] Yes, any 5 year old can attempt it, and probably fail, and thats against a completely untrained fighter with zero desire to murder them. You change the situation to one where the person whom you are trying to trip wants to murder you and has the right tools to do it (weapons and/or teeth/claws) and the situation changes big time. Also doing a traditional karate sweep almost REQUIRES you to be unarmored, do you have any idea how difficult in full armor it would be to have adequate speed/power/balance that it wouldnt backfire on you. If you are not immensely fast it is an incredibly easy attack to counter, as you are crouched low, somewhat off balance and on one foot. At the same time the kind of power required (and yes, there is lots of power required to knock somebodies feet out from under them) would be something for specialists, and the one situation where the power would not be required (if you have absolutely perfect timing) is even more the realm of a specialist. The only way sweeps work in a real fight is if you are a vastly superior fighter, otherwise it would almost always be better to grapple if you want to take them to the ground. The idea of a non-specialist doing a sweep against a bigger/stronger/faster foe (say a 400# bugbear, or 800# grizzly) is laughable. That being said, there should be OPTIONS for all of the melee classes to be allowed to have those sweet skillz (or Fighter, Rogue, Paladin, Ranger, Barbarian, Monk at the very least, Cleric should probably have the option too) but I do not see that it should be a free-default ability for everybody, as it is an incredibly specialized and highly difficult skill, far more so than grappling, bull rushing, etc... [/QUOTE]

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