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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 8068886">Why the need to dramatically mischaracterize and exaggerate the opposing viewpoint?<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nobody is saying these suboptimal builds are not viable, just that they're not as good, and data seems to support the hypothesis that people avoid them as a result.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nobody is saying there should be, or even could be, zero synergy between racial features and certain classes.&nbsp; Just that the less such synergy there is...that is, the more racial features work with any class...the less we will see people choosing races just to optimize their intended class.</li>
</ol>So can we please stop with the hyperbole?Now, do you make a valid point: whether or not more dwarf bards is a desirable outcome is entirely subjective.&nbsp; For people who think that those nontraditional combinations should be discouraged (while still permitted) then racial ASIs are a great way to achieve that.&nbsp; Frankly it surprises me that more people don't just use this simple argument.&nbsp; It's irrefutable. But instead we keep seeing:<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Arguments of how racial ASIs are necessary to the game for some nonsense reason or another.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Exaggeration/mischaracterization of the reasons given for getting rid of them.</li>
</ol>Frankly it's just strange.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 8068886"] Why the need to dramatically mischaracterize and exaggerate the opposing viewpoint? [LIST=1] [*]Nobody is saying these suboptimal builds are not viable, just that they're not as good, and data seems to support the hypothesis that people avoid them as a result. [*]Nobody is saying there should be, or even could be, zero synergy between racial features and certain classes. Just that the [I]less[/I] such synergy there is...that is, the [I]more[/I] racial features work with any class...the less we will see people choosing races just to optimize their intended class. [/LIST] So can we please stop with the hyperbole? Now, do you make a valid point: whether or not more dwarf bards is a desirable outcome is entirely subjective. For people who think that those nontraditional combinations should be discouraged (while still permitted) then racial ASIs are a great way to achieve that. Frankly it surprises me that more people don't just use this simple argument. It's irrefutable. But instead we keep seeing: [LIST=1] [*]Arguments of how racial ASIs are necessary to the game for some nonsense reason or another. [*]Exaggeration/mischaracterization of the reasons given for getting rid of them. [/LIST] Frankly it's just strange. [/QUOTE]

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