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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7789528" data-attributes="member: 22779">Huh, still not seeing anywhere in my replies that it was easy, or that anyone could do it or that it was the same as break dancing.So, anyway, we agree that it's something you need training to do.&nbsp; Actually, funnily enough, we don't even agree on that to be honest, since, according to you:A first level character can accomplish the objectively hardest tasks in the world.&nbsp; Give me a 20 stat and yup, I can do the hardest tasks in the world.&nbsp; So, running up a wall counts as the most difficult task in your game world?&nbsp; That only a trained person could possibly do?&nbsp; Oh, but, wait, no he can't.&nbsp; Because he needs to be trained in order to do that.&nbsp; So suddenly your 1st level character cannot actually have a chance of doing anything the DM walls off behind genre.&nbsp; Which is it?&nbsp; Is it an objective difficulty or not?&nbsp; If it's an objective difficulty, then training doesn't matter.&nbsp; It's the same difficulty if I'm trained or if I'm not trained.&nbsp; That's what an objective difficulty means.&nbsp; Which means that being trained shouldn't matter.&nbsp; So long as I reach that DC, my level of training does not matter in the slightest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7789528, member: 22779"] Huh, still not seeing anywhere in my replies that it was easy, or that anyone could do it or that it was the same as break dancing. So, anyway, we agree that it's something you need training to do. Actually, funnily enough, we don't even agree on that to be honest, since, according to you: A first level character can accomplish the objectively hardest tasks in the world. Give me a 20 stat and yup, I can do the hardest tasks in the world. So, running up a wall counts as the most difficult task in your game world? That only a trained person could possibly do? Oh, but, wait, no he can't. Because he needs to be trained in order to do that. So suddenly your 1st level character cannot actually have a chance of doing anything the DM walls off behind genre. Which is it? Is it an objective difficulty or not? If it's an objective difficulty, then training doesn't matter. It's the same difficulty if I'm trained or if I'm not trained. That's what an objective difficulty means. Which means that being trained shouldn't matter. So long as I reach that DC, my level of training does not matter in the slightest. [/QUOTE]

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