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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 7789737" data-attributes="member: 6688937">I think you're arguing the other definition of &quot;freeform&quot; with me. Locking in those genre expectations is precisely what I was talking about. The DCs are reflective of genre expectations. To step outside D&amp;D, Fate makes no assumptions on what a +5 Superb Athletics check can or can't accomplish. It's totally up to the genre conventions at table. The same jump that is a +5 in say...an 80's action movie, might be +3 in a supers game or a +7 in a gritty detective game.* 5e is more similar to that. (Fate also includes a Scale mechanic that shakes that up a bit for genres where some characters are significantly more or less capable then others.)The Jumping rules include the sentence: &quot;In some circumstances, the DM might allow you to make a Strength (Athletics) check to jump higher than you normally can.&quot; So those jump rules and limitations are only for jumps that are guaranteed under normal movement costs, not heroic actions. Which makes sense, as those numbers look pretty mundane overall, and are described in terms of movement costs and strict limits, not DCs. Personally, when running 5e, I just ignored those rules because the &quot;figuring it out&quot; seemed to cost more than just &quot;Say yes or roll the dice.&quot; I mean, we already had Difficult Terrain. Personally, I don't take the spells into consideration when making DC adjudications (outside of those set by the spell itself). YMMV, obviously. 5e also describes tiers of play (PHB p15.), but it is (much) less stringent/specific on what exactly those encompass in the expectations of specific actions, instead only defining them by the scope of what kind of problems the characters will face.* For those who don't know Fate, that's a fairly significant difference. Much more than a +2 warrants on a d20 scale.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 7789737, member: 6688937"] I think you're arguing the other definition of "freeform" with me. Locking in those genre expectations is precisely what I was talking about. The DCs are reflective of genre expectations. To step outside D&D, Fate makes no assumptions on what a +5 Superb Athletics check can or can't accomplish. It's totally up to the genre conventions at table. The same jump that is a +5 in say...an 80's action movie, might be +3 in a supers game or a +7 in a gritty detective game.* 5e is more similar to that. (Fate also includes a Scale mechanic that shakes that up a bit for genres where some characters are significantly more or less capable then others.) The Jumping rules include the sentence: "In some circumstances, the DM might allow you to make a Strength (Athletics) check to jump higher than you normally can." So those jump rules and limitations are only for jumps that are [U]guaranteed[/U] under normal movement costs, not heroic actions. Which makes sense, as those numbers look pretty mundane overall, and are described in terms of movement costs and strict limits, not DCs. Personally, when running 5e, I just ignored those rules because the "figuring it out" seemed to cost more than just "Say yes or roll the dice." I mean, we already had Difficult Terrain. Personally, I don't take the spells into consideration when making DC adjudications (outside of those set by the spell itself). YMMV, obviously. 5e also describes tiers of play (PHB p15.), but it is (much) less stringent/specific on what exactly those encompass in the expectations of specific actions, instead only defining them by the scope of what kind of problems the characters will face. * For those who don't know Fate, that's a fairly significant difference. Much more than a +2 warrants on a d20 scale. [/QUOTE]

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