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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7790312" data-attributes="member: 22779">Whoops, missed the reply to the earlier post, so, I'm editing this one to reply:There is a significant difference here [USER=48965]@Imaro[/USER] that you are ignoring.  You are claiming that the DC is objective, but, it isn't.  The ONLY reason that the task requires training to succeed is because you, the DM, have decreed it so.  After all, there are a number of other ways I could achieve the DC without being trained - Guidance spells as an easiest example.  So, again, is the DC objective - as in the DC is fixed and so long as I reach that DC, regardless of HOW I reach it, I succeed, or is the DC subjective, and walled off by you the DM who has decided that regardless of whatever number I achieve, I cannot possibly succeed unless I am trained?Sorry, but, your other examples are complete red herrings.  Of course you can't ride a horse with no horse.  But, that's not the same thing.  The DC for riding that horse doesn't change depending on whether I'm trained or not.  The DC remains fixed.  It's objective.  But, if the only way I can make my horse jump across that open space is if I'm trained in Animal Handling, then, no, that's not an objective DC.  That's a subjective DC based on the DM's understanding of how to make a horse jump.Is that clear enough now?</blockquote>