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<blockquote data-quote="MoutonRustique" data-source="post: 7790538" data-attributes="member: 22362"><p>This post (and others of similar ilk) do not seem particularly constructive. If you feel the discussion pointless, please do not participate in it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>A possible hangup (one I have) is that I'm not seeing how/when then difference in <strong>kind</strong> is triggered in the fiction.</p><p></p><p>Since in one situation you assign a DC, and in another you do not, this isn't a difference of <strong>scale</strong>, it is of <strong>kind</strong>. As an hypothetical player, having my fighter character progress from low to mid to high level, I will have encountered many situations where a check was asked of me. At low levels, I wanted to push a boulder and was asked to roll vs DC 15. Later on, at mid levels, I wanted to push another (similar) boulder, and was asked to roll vs DC 15. That tracks, no worries. Later, within the same adventure, I wanted to uphold a <em>massive</em> stone door to let my friends escape. This was a very hard task and I was asked to roll vs DC 25. Harder task, higher DC, that tracks, no worries. At very high levels, I wanted to hold up the world as my friends rebuilt the Pillars of Creation and was asked to roll vs DC 25. It was a very hard task, and so...wait... how does that track?</p><p></p><p>Since I'm not invoking any special skill, where does the demarcation come from? The DC can't go up much, as my chances to succeed would be abysmal. I'm not harping on <em>"DC 25"</em>, I'm just not seeing how a game could work in this context without prior rolls set at the same DC having very different scale in fiction - with the DC still being "not subjective to level". I... I don't get it.</p><p></p><p>This is a good example of what I was talking about when I used the term "<em>kind</em>" vs "<em>scale</em>". As such, it doesn't help me. But, if you feel you've already explained it, I can live with "not getting it".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoutonRustique, post: 7790538, member: 22362"] This post (and others of similar ilk) do not seem particularly constructive. If you feel the discussion pointless, please do not participate in it. A possible hangup (one I have) is that I'm not seeing how/when then difference in [B]kind[/B] is triggered in the fiction. Since in one situation you assign a DC, and in another you do not, this isn't a difference of [B]scale[/B], it is of [B]kind[/B]. As an hypothetical player, having my fighter character progress from low to mid to high level, I will have encountered many situations where a check was asked of me. At low levels, I wanted to push a boulder and was asked to roll vs DC 15. Later on, at mid levels, I wanted to push another (similar) boulder, and was asked to roll vs DC 15. That tracks, no worries. Later, within the same adventure, I wanted to uphold a [I]massive[/I] stone door to let my friends escape. This was a very hard task and I was asked to roll vs DC 25. Harder task, higher DC, that tracks, no worries. At very high levels, I wanted to hold up the world as my friends rebuilt the Pillars of Creation and was asked to roll vs DC 25. It was a very hard task, and so...wait... how does that track? Since I'm not invoking any special skill, where does the demarcation come from? The DC can't go up much, as my chances to succeed would be abysmal. I'm not harping on [I]"DC 25"[/I], I'm just not seeing how a game could work in this context without prior rolls set at the same DC having very different scale in fiction - with the DC still being "not subjective to level". I... I don't get it. This is a good example of what I was talking about when I used the term "[I]kind[/I]" vs "[I]scale[/I]". As such, it doesn't help me. But, if you feel you've already explained it, I can live with "not getting it". [/QUOTE]
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