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Where was 4e headed before it was canned?
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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7790875" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Hmmm... [USER=82504]@Garthanos[/USER] seemed to imply that the numbers to reach a paragon level of DC's wouldn't be all that hard for a heroic 4e character to reach...</p><p></p><p>Paragon DC's...</p><p>Level 11 Easy(13)/Moderate(19)/Hard(27)</p><p>Level 20 18 25 34</p><p></p><p>Let's take a 4th level character with just the basics (No theme/background/feats/etc.)... 20 Ability (+5), 1/2 level (+2), Trained (+5)...</p><p></p><p>So to accomplish an early paragon easy task they have to roll a 1 or higher, moderate 7 or higher and hard task they need to roll... 15 or higher, not exactly beyond their ability to achieve at all.</p><p></p><p>Far end of paragon roll a 6 for easy, a 13 for moderate and they can't accomplish a hard task (though with magic and/or feats, utility powers, themes, backgrounds, etc it's probably doable... again no real hard barier mechanically.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok... so DM force/choice/fiat/whatever doesn' allow the PC's to choose to interact with obstacles, threats, etc. that are higher then their tier... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It seems to me that the main element in either edition preventing the lower mythic character from doing the same feats as the higher mythic character is the DM not actual mechanics.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: I think 5e is flexible enough to do either type of play... just saying.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 7790875, member: 48965"] Hmmm... [USER=82504]@Garthanos[/USER] seemed to imply that the numbers to reach a paragon level of DC's wouldn't be all that hard for a heroic 4e character to reach... Paragon DC's... Level 11 Easy(13)/Moderate(19)/Hard(27) Level 20 18 25 34 Let's take a 4th level character with just the basics (No theme/background/feats/etc.)... 20 Ability (+5), 1/2 level (+2), Trained (+5)... So to accomplish an early paragon easy task they have to roll a 1 or higher, moderate 7 or higher and hard task they need to roll... 15 or higher, not exactly beyond their ability to achieve at all. Far end of paragon roll a 6 for easy, a 13 for moderate and they can't accomplish a hard task (though with magic and/or feats, utility powers, themes, backgrounds, etc it's probably doable... again no real hard barier mechanically. Ok... so DM force/choice/fiat/whatever doesn' allow the PC's to choose to interact with obstacles, threats, etc. that are higher then their tier... It seems to me that the main element in either edition preventing the lower mythic character from doing the same feats as the higher mythic character is the DM not actual mechanics. EDIT: I think 5e is flexible enough to do either type of play... just saying. [/QUOTE]
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