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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8083942" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>Iirc there are others on here with children that Lovecraft would have called abominations, and I want to say that some of his stories read very differently in that light.</p><p></p><p>One doesn't need to keep Lovecraft's name or his direct creations in to keep similar ideas to the mythos and far realms and cosmic horror in D&D. If one feels the need to make the name front and center while using the ideas, it seems like the reason should be compelling enough to overcome the previous paragraph.</p><p></p><p>If your goal is to look at Lovecrafts racism in relation to horror, obviously his name should be there. Arkham Asymlum has a long history in Batman, that feels like a reason to keep him. I assume he'll still always be sold in the bookstores. But does Cthulhu need a mention in 5e in particular? Does the list in the back need to be everything that inspired D&D, or can it be things that can be viewed as inspriational to those running it (or could there be two lists).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It feels like anyone more than 45 years old is probably tainted to some extent with some bigotry (lets look back at how LGBTQ things were looked at in the 70s and 80s, for example...). If you start to get rid of anyone who wasn't in the 5 or 10% most progressive for their era, there probably aren't many people left... But do we need to use folks in the worst 10% though? RA Fisher did a lot of important genetics and statistics -- but was also a prominent Eugenicist who formally pushed it and might have tried to get Nazi experimenters out of trouble. His name goes with some things in genetics and statistics that he discovered/developed and isn't going to be scrubbed from the textbooks, and he has a big entry in the history of statistics or genetics textbooks. But do we need to include his picture and quotes from him at the start of the standard non-historical text books though? Do we need to have awards named for him?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8083942, member: 6701124"] Iirc there are others on here with children that Lovecraft would have called abominations, and I want to say that some of his stories read very differently in that light. One doesn't need to keep Lovecraft's name or his direct creations in to keep similar ideas to the mythos and far realms and cosmic horror in D&D. If one feels the need to make the name front and center while using the ideas, it seems like the reason should be compelling enough to overcome the previous paragraph. If your goal is to look at Lovecrafts racism in relation to horror, obviously his name should be there. Arkham Asymlum has a long history in Batman, that feels like a reason to keep him. I assume he'll still always be sold in the bookstores. But does Cthulhu need a mention in 5e in particular? Does the list in the back need to be everything that inspired D&D, or can it be things that can be viewed as inspriational to those running it (or could there be two lists). It feels like anyone more than 45 years old is probably tainted to some extent with some bigotry (lets look back at how LGBTQ things were looked at in the 70s and 80s, for example...). If you start to get rid of anyone who wasn't in the 5 or 10% most progressive for their era, there probably aren't many people left... But do we need to use folks in the worst 10% though? RA Fisher did a lot of important genetics and statistics -- but was also a prominent Eugenicist who formally pushed it and might have tried to get Nazi experimenters out of trouble. His name goes with some things in genetics and statistics that he discovered/developed and isn't going to be scrubbed from the textbooks, and he has a big entry in the history of statistics or genetics textbooks. But do we need to include his picture and quotes from him at the start of the standard non-historical text books though? Do we need to have awards named for him? [/QUOTE]
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