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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Horwath" data-source="post: 8517561" data-attributes="member: 6801299">8 STR(I have it now with my current sorcerer) only works if you have no armor or light armor.Half plate+shield and a few weapons, you are at 70-80lb just from basic armament.Add in ropes, grappling hooks, various tools, not to mention that food and water wights somewhat if you want to have few days worth in reserve.So, I agree with that you should aim for 12 STR in you are a martial character. Also Athletics checks are a thing, so...DM should, make terrains in exploration and in combat somewhat challenging.Even DCs between 5 and 10, will be a problem with party full of 8 STR or DEX characters.Having DC 10 check for athletics/acrobatics that prevents you from moving in a round and with 5 or lower on check you suffer detriment, means that with -1 modifier you have 50% chance of not moving and 30% chance to suffer some small detriment(fall prone, roll down the hill 10 or 20ft, suffer 1d6 fall damage, drop weapons) every round while in that terrain.</blockquote>