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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8517726" data-attributes="member: 7006">Couple things I'd also point out...1) I don't think there is really anything WRONG with having so-called "dump stats".  Every single character class is going to have a stat they just don't care to raise up and there's nothing wrong with that.2) Even when you have a "dump stat", that stat is still only like 1-4 modifier points lower than any other stat, so even your best stat is only 20% higher than your dump.  So how bad is that dump stat really?3) If you are a DM and don't like "dump stats" because you find everyone at your table is selecting the SAME stat to "dump" and you are bored with seeing that... might that be as much an issue of the kinds of things you call checks for?  And what's more likely... WotC getting around to changing their own rules to inspire more uses of the so-called "dump stats"... or YOU as the DM changing the kinds of situations, encounters, and checks you make or call for that will use these "dump stats" so that your players no longer think dumping the same stat across the board is a good thing?Now I understand every table is different and every group comes together in different ways where you might not as many choices and they will find their own issues.  If your groups are all public Adventurer's League tables or online tabletop groups that come together when you as a DM just put a call out for any and all players and they all just show up with their PCs already made... then sure, you're probably going to have a larger amount of overlap if they are all choosing their options in  vacuum.  But isn't that just one of the issues you have to accept if you find you have to play in that fashion?  If you can't or are choosing not to cultivate a group, then it's part of the deal that you're going to have to just play in a manner you might not prefer.But if you have a home game or a game where the group makes choices about their PCs together, and they STILL are all forsaking the same ability scores... it seems to me it's because your style of DMing just doesn't require them to take them.  If they know they aren't going to experience any situation when having one or more people with a high STR is necessary... who's fault is that?  You can't get mad that your players are all dumping the same stats if you are running your game such that allowing for that dump is considered smart play.  How many DMs who see their players dump INT are ones who also are beholden to the whole "Don't call for checks if there isn't a consequence for failure" thought process?  Because I know for me personally who DOESN'T go along with that way of playing... I call for INT checks all the time to distribute information the characters may or may not know... which is why I don't see every character at my table dumping INT because they want that information when they can get it.  Is there a "consequence" for not rolling a good INT check?  If you don't consider not getting the information and being less informed about what's going on a consequence, then no... but if that's why you aren't calling for INT checks but are still annoyed that your table is dumping INT... that seems to me to be an issue of your own making.But hey... maybe you will luck out and eventually WotC will change their rules to make STR and INT more enticing.  But you'll just have to suffer in silence until that happens though, then, I guess.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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