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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4704356" data-attributes="member: 2020">So, why didn't the character immediately above take 1 level of Fighter, gain all the Fighter starting feats 'for free', and then take the other feats?&nbsp; Because of Storyline.&nbsp; Chronology.&nbsp; Her feats were taken during training, are in effect when she begins adventuring at 1st level.&nbsp; Now, one could suspend belief and take 1 fighter level, then start her as a wizard at 2nd level.&nbsp; This would gain her more feats (5 additional feats), and it is - or was - a popular choice, it seems, within the RAW.&nbsp; But then, she wouldn't be a wizard at 1st level.&nbsp; She trained for years to be a wizard, but she cannot cast spells as one.&nbsp; She may die, during her sojourn as a 1st level character;&nbsp; die, and have never cast a spell as a wizard, despite having trained as one.&nbsp; This, then, is a choice of the player and DM to make.&nbsp; Suspend belief and min/max, or go with the storyline and chronology?&nbsp; Up to them.&nbsp; EDIT:&nbsp; If the character was specifically trained as a fighter/mage, then there is no choice but to 'start' as either a fighter or a wizard, then take the other class at 2nd level.&nbsp; Only the Gestalt rules surpass this restriction, and that's another situation altogether.&nbsp; The character above assumes a sort of fighter/mage training, but wizard comes first, fighter second, in this particular case.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 4704356, member: 2020"] So, why didn't the character immediately above take 1 level of Fighter, gain all the Fighter starting feats 'for free', and then take the other feats? Because of Storyline. Chronology. Her feats were taken during training, are in effect when she begins adventuring at 1st level. Now, one could suspend belief and take 1 fighter level, then start her as a wizard at 2nd level. This would gain her more feats (5 additional feats), and it is - or was - a popular choice, it seems, within the RAW. But then, she wouldn't be a wizard at 1st level. She trained for years to be a wizard, but she cannot cast spells as one. She may die, during her sojourn as a 1st level character; die, and have never cast a spell as a wizard, despite having trained as one. This, then, is a choice of the player and DM to make. Suspend belief and min/max, or go with the storyline and chronology? Up to them. EDIT: If the character was specifically trained as a fighter/mage, then there is no choice but to 'start' as either a fighter or a wizard, then take the other class at 2nd level. Only the Gestalt rules surpass this restriction, and that's another situation altogether. The character above assumes a sort of fighter/mage training, but wizard comes first, fighter second, in this particular case. [/QUOTE]

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