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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4717650" data-attributes="member: 2020">Getting back to this thread ...&nbsp; &nbsp; If one started with 11 feats, one could take feat chains.&nbsp; I'm looking at 111 pages of feats from this place called Crystalkeep, feats for 3.0 Dungeons and Dragons (and, many of these feats are jaw droppers.)&nbsp; Dexterity 18:&nbsp; +4&nbsp; Dexterity 26:&nbsp; +8&nbsp; Possible Feat Chains:&nbsp; Improved Initiative:&nbsp; +4&nbsp; Improved Initiative + Level Headed:&nbsp; +4 and special&nbsp; II + LH + Surge:&nbsp; +9 and special&nbsp; Il + LH + S + Lightning Initiative:&nbsp; +13 and special&nbsp; Il + LH + S + LI + Way of the Scorpion (if allowed to everyone) :&nbsp; +17 and special&nbsp; Il + LH + S + LI + WOTS + Quick Reconnoiter (not shown on list, but it's around) :&nbsp; +19 and special&nbsp; II + LH + S + LI + WOTS + QR + Jaguar's Pounce:&nbsp; +21 and special&nbsp; Il + LH + S + LI + WOTS + QR + JP + Superior Initiative:&nbsp; +25 and special&nbsp; If Blooded, Duelist, or Thug:&nbsp; +27 and special&nbsp; If Blooded and/or Duelist and/or Thug:&nbsp; +29 and special &nbsp; Il + LH + S + LI + WOTS + QR + JP + SP + B and/or D/T + 26 Dexterity:&nbsp; +37 and special (ROFL ... you cannot roll under a 47, and could roll a 57.)&nbsp; Other Feat Chains&nbsp; Improved Alertness/Expert Timing/Hair Trigger Reflexes (in any order)&nbsp; Roleplaying notes:&nbsp; &nbsp; One has to make a judgement call on how fast someone with a +4 initiative *is.*&nbsp; Is she merely a bit faster than normal?&nbsp; Moderately faster?&nbsp; Much faster?&nbsp; Really fast?&nbsp; Incredibly fast?&nbsp; &nbsp; Only then can the full impact of greater bonuses be known.&nbsp; Which again begs the question:&nbsp; If an 18 dexterity grants +4 initiative, how common is 18 dexterity within a population?&nbsp; The dice (3d6) say 3.5% of the populace is that fast.&nbsp; Is this so?&nbsp; If yes, can an ordinary person be faster than this?&nbsp; If yes, then how fast?&nbsp; 19?&nbsp; 26?&nbsp; Higher?&nbsp; In short, what does an 18 *mean* ?&nbsp; If it is the pinnacle of human speed, it means one thing.&nbsp; If it is not, then it means something else.&nbsp; +4 cannot exist in a vacuum.&nbsp; It must mean something.&nbsp; So, what does it *mean* ?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 4717650, member: 2020"] Getting back to this thread ... If one started with 11 feats, one could take feat chains. I'm looking at 111 pages of feats from this place called Crystalkeep, feats for 3.0 Dungeons and Dragons (and, many of these feats are jaw droppers.) Dexterity 18: +4 Dexterity 26: +8 Possible Feat Chains: Improved Initiative: +4 Improved Initiative + Level Headed: +4 and special II + LH + Surge: +9 and special Il + LH + S + Lightning Initiative: +13 and special Il + LH + S + LI + Way of the Scorpion (if allowed to everyone) : +17 and special Il + LH + S + LI + WOTS + Quick Reconnoiter (not shown on list, but it's around) : +19 and special II + LH + S + LI + WOTS + QR + Jaguar's Pounce: +21 and special Il + LH + S + LI + WOTS + QR + JP + Superior Initiative: +25 and special If Blooded, Duelist, or Thug: +27 and special If Blooded and/or Duelist and/or Thug: +29 and special Il + LH + S + LI + WOTS + QR + JP + SP + B and/or D/T + 26 Dexterity: +37 and special (ROFL ... you cannot roll under a 47, and could roll a 57.) Other Feat Chains Improved Alertness/Expert Timing/Hair Trigger Reflexes (in any order) Roleplaying notes: One has to make a judgement call on how fast someone with a +4 initiative *is.* Is she merely a bit faster than normal? Moderately faster? Much faster? Really fast? Incredibly fast? Only then can the full impact of greater bonuses be known. Which again begs the question: If an 18 dexterity grants +4 initiative, how common is 18 dexterity within a population? The dice (3d6) say 3.5% of the populace is that fast. Is this so? If yes, can an ordinary person be faster than this? If yes, then how fast? 19? 26? Higher? In short, what does an 18 *mean* ? If it is the pinnacle of human speed, it means one thing. If it is not, then it means something else. +4 cannot exist in a vacuum. It must mean something. So, what does it *mean* ? [/QUOTE]

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