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<blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 1619292" data-attributes="member: 945">That'd be da Bard, Bob.&nbsp; (ok, that's obscure)Anyway, the bard is definitely the weakest, IMHO.In general, I would expect any class that starts out as weak as a bard to end up being uber powerful.&nbsp; Consider the sorcerer.&nbsp; A 1st level sorcerer sucks, but you stack on about 19 levels to that sorcerer, and you've got yourself a force to be reckoned with.&nbsp; And while I consider a 1st level sorcerer to be about the weakest thing since sliced bread, a 1st level bard is EVEN MORE WEAK, and even less useful.BUT, stack 19 levels onto a 1st level Bard, and you end up with a marginally interesting thing, but you're still no where near as powerful as said Sorcerer, or even just about anything else in the party.A Bard just isn't useful for anything.&nbsp; It's no longer a jack-of-all-trades class, and is really just a crappy enchantment-based sorcerer, with fewer spells.&nbsp; The music ability is hokey, and doesn't really make up for the lack of spell power.&nbsp; The combat abilities are marginal, and no bard worth his salt has any right being on the front lines of any battle, what with d6 hit dice.No two ways about it, the bard is just lame in every regard.&nbsp; I don't care what anyone else says.I tried playing one, and I got so tired of her, when I got to 3rd level, the DM let me remake her as a rog1/sor2, and I instantly gained more spells, and tripled her skills, while still maintaining her bluff/perform abilities.&nbsp; So, she was still the enchantment/diplomacy/bluff queen, but was actually useful on top of that.&nbsp; Wacky.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="der_kluge, post: 1619292, member: 945"] That'd be da Bard, Bob. (ok, that's obscure) Anyway, the bard is definitely the weakest, IMHO. In general, I would expect any class that starts out as weak as a bard to end up being uber powerful. Consider the sorcerer. A 1st level sorcerer sucks, but you stack on about 19 levels to that sorcerer, and you've got yourself a force to be reckoned with. And while I consider a 1st level sorcerer to be about the weakest thing since sliced bread, a 1st level bard is EVEN MORE WEAK, and even less useful. BUT, stack 19 levels onto a 1st level Bard, and you end up with a marginally interesting thing, but you're still no where near as powerful as said Sorcerer, or even just about anything else in the party. A Bard just isn't useful for anything. It's no longer a jack-of-all-trades class, and is really just a crappy enchantment-based sorcerer, with fewer spells. The music ability is hokey, and doesn't really make up for the lack of spell power. The combat abilities are marginal, and no bard worth his salt has any right being on the front lines of any battle, what with d6 hit dice. No two ways about it, the bard is just lame in every regard. I don't care what anyone else says. I tried playing one, and I got so tired of her, when I got to 3rd level, the DM let me remake her as a rog1/sor2, and I instantly gained more spells, and tripled her skills, while still maintaining her bluff/perform abilities. So, she was still the enchantment/diplomacy/bluff queen, but was actually useful on top of that. Wacky. [/QUOTE]

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