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<blockquote data-quote="Pants" data-source="post: 1619543" data-attributes="member: 8849">I don't think it's as clear as you think.&nbsp; I play a pretty effective Sorcerer in one game, infact, I'd say that I've dominated play quite a bit and I am not a very good min/maxer.&nbsp; With the right application of feats, spells, and skills nearly any class can become truly effective and that's just as true for the Sorcerer.&nbsp; For the weakest class... I've seen all of the classes be potentially weak as a lot of the weakness is in the way that the class is played.&nbsp; I've watched as a 3.0 Monk died 3 times in the course of a campaign.&nbsp; I watched as the same player tried to play his Bard as a front-line meleer and promptly get squashed.&nbsp; I watched as that same player got his Druid killed 3 times during the course of a campaign.&nbsp; That same character also got his Rogue killed... twice I think.Another player that I DM plays a wizard.&nbsp; His wizard is very, very good at blowing up stuff, but he absolutely sucks when it comes to anything else.&nbsp; He should be dominating the game, but he doesn't thankfully.&nbsp; The only reason he hasn't bit the dust yet is because he's a big coward. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I've also seen instances where the Monk, Bard, Fighter, and the Sorcerer have truly shined.&nbsp; It's all in the way they are played <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But, if I had to narrow it down to one or two classes, I'd have to say that the Monk and the Bard are slightly weaker than the others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pants, post: 1619543, member: 8849"] I don't think it's as clear as you think. I play a pretty effective Sorcerer in one game, infact, I'd say that I've dominated play quite a bit and I am not a very good min/maxer. With the right application of feats, spells, and skills nearly any class can become truly effective and that's just as true for the Sorcerer. For the weakest class... I've seen all of the classes be potentially weak as a lot of the weakness is in the way that the class is played. I've watched as a 3.0 Monk died 3 times in the course of a campaign. I watched as the same player tried to play his Bard as a front-line meleer and promptly get squashed. I watched as that same player got his Druid killed [b]3 times[/b] during the course of a campaign. That same character also got his Rogue killed... twice I think. Another player that I DM plays a wizard. His wizard is very, very good at blowing up stuff, but he absolutely sucks when it comes to anything else. He should be dominating the game, but he doesn't thankfully. The only reason he hasn't bit the dust yet is because he's a big coward. ;) I've also seen instances where the Monk, Bard, Fighter, and the Sorcerer have truly shined. It's all in the way they are played ;) But, if I had to narrow it down to one or two classes, I'd have to say that the Monk and the Bard are slightly weaker than the others. [/QUOTE]

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