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<blockquote data-quote="atra2" data-source="post: 1623228" data-attributes="member: 10914">Arkhandus, the fighter improves greatly if his path is:1: Barbarian2: Barbarian3+: Fighter<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />Seriously, losing a single feat (the one you'd get for 20th level) gains youextra movement (if you are not a heavy armor guy, and even then,mithral full plate gives it back to you), rage 1/day (and you can take theextra rage feat if your group uses Complete Warrior), more HP and skillpoints. and that's just a bbn1/ftr19 build. make it bbn2/fighter 18, andyou gain uncanny dodge, so invisible foes can't sneak attack you.And Human, Half-Elf, Half-Orc and Dwarf can do that build without an XP penalty.You'll survive just fine even with fewer feats the first couple of levels. Take PowerAttack at 1st level, wield any 2h weapon (greatsword is nice <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> and you will rulelow-level, then can start adding bonus feats to get the useful feat chains.That's your basic tank.Keep in mind a 1st level human fighter can have:pb shot (1st level char), precise shot (bonus feat), rapid shot (fighter feat)ormounted combat (1st level char), ride-by attack (bonus feat) and spirited charge(fighter feat)So starting as fighter does have some advantages, but if you are the greatswordfighter, power attack is plenty good enough as a 1st level barbarian, add cleave orsomesuch if human.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="atra2, post: 1623228, member: 10914"] Arkhandus, the fighter improves greatly if his path is: 1: Barbarian 2: Barbarian 3+: Fighter :-) Seriously, losing a single feat (the one you'd get for 20th level) gains you extra movement (if you are not a heavy armor guy, and even then, mithral full plate gives it back to you), rage 1/day (and you can take the extra rage feat if your group uses Complete Warrior), more HP and skill points. and that's just a bbn1/ftr19 build. make it bbn2/fighter 18, and you gain uncanny dodge, so invisible foes can't sneak attack you. And Human, Half-Elf, Half-Orc and Dwarf can do that build without an XP penalty. You'll survive just fine even with fewer feats the first couple of levels. Take Power Attack at 1st level, wield any 2h weapon (greatsword is nice :-) and you will rule low-level, then can start adding bonus feats to get the useful feat chains. That's your basic tank. Keep in mind a 1st level human fighter can have: pb shot (1st level char), precise shot (bonus feat), rapid shot (fighter feat) or mounted combat (1st level char), ride-by attack (bonus feat) and spirited charge (fighter feat) So starting as fighter does have some advantages, but if you are the greatsword fighter, power attack is plenty good enough as a 1st level barbarian, add cleave or somesuch if human. [/QUOTE]

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