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<blockquote data-quote="Lackhand" data-source="post: 7332908" data-attributes="member: 36160">Okay, but now what does &quot;no physical form&quot; mean in D&amp;D terms?We still think it's a creature (because a detect evil and good -- a spell that detects creatures -- detects it). We think it has a space (because the spell that detects creatures detects it in that space). We think it &quot;disappeared&quot;.That sounds pretty D&amp;D-style invisible to me. Ghosts already lack a physical form via traits like Incorporeal Movement and Etherealness (and how cool is that action's &quot;be visible on the material when you're on the ethereal&quot;, by the way?). The rules do not say it has no physical form while possessing, they say it &quot;disappears&quot; and &quot;can't be targeted...&quot;.Does it take damage from ending its turn next to a flaming sphere? I think we have to go beyond the rules to say &quot;no&quot; (it certainly wasn't targeted). It's a good beyond the rules.Does it take damage from entering a forbiddance? I think the rules text for forbiddance is quite similar to flaming sphere, but my intuition is that the answer is different...By the way, I like your ruling, I'm just pointing out how far we have to extrapolate from what the RAW actually says for this particular ability -- and so the answer to my thread question seems to be &quot;whatever the DM says, depending on your ontological theory of possession&quot;. Which I guess I'm comfortable with. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lackhand, post: 7332908, member: 36160"] Okay, but now what does "no physical form" mean in D&D terms? We still think it's a creature (because a [I]detect evil and good[/I] -- a spell that detects creatures -- detects it). We think it has a space (because the spell that detects creatures detects it in that space). We think it "disappeared". That sounds pretty D&D-style invisible to me. Ghosts [I]already[/I] lack a physical form via traits like Incorporeal Movement and Etherealness (and how cool is that action's "be visible on the material when you're on the ethereal", by the way?). The rules do not say it has no physical form while possessing, they say it "disappears" and "can't be targeted...". Does it take damage from ending its turn next to a [I]flaming sphere[/I]? I think we have to go beyond the rules to say "no" (it certainly wasn't targeted). It's a [I]good[/I] beyond the rules. Does it take damage from entering a [I]forbiddance[/I]? I think the rules text for forbiddance is quite similar to [I]flaming sphere[/I], but my intuition is that the answer is different... By the way, I like your ruling, I'm just pointing out how far we have to extrapolate from what the RAW actually says for this particular ability -- and so the answer to my thread question seems to be "whatever the DM says, depending on your ontological theory of possession". Which I guess I'm comfortable with. :D [/QUOTE]

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