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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wayside" data-source="post: 2121270" data-attributes="member: 8394">First, as I said in my post, I mentioned a few people I expected you to be familiar with, based on your stated area of study; and the point, which I think you would have gotten if you had had a less emotional or threatened reaction, was simply that of the three names I listed, there was a teacher-student relationship and a peer relationship, and yet none of them could agree on one historical model (meaning: what you take for granted as the method of historical inquiry isn't universally acknowledged). It's a shame that automatically amounts to "name-dropping" or "calling you out," but academics do challenge each others' ideas, and if you go on, or have gone on, as you say this is how you make your living, to do graduate work, publish, or attend conferences, it's not something that should surprise you.If it wasn't clear, I was only actually asking for you to do one thing: situate your ideas, possibly within the field of historiography you claim to have studied, in such a way that your critique of Eberron would make sense. You made a judgment about Eberron based on a host of assumptions not contained within your post; I simply thought it might be helpful to know those assumptions, in order to better understand your judgment. (I am not a fan of Eberron either).Much like there is no single model able to explain the WHOLE of physics. I guess physicists and people who talk about physics are wankers, too. Nevertheless, in the many years I've been visiting this site some of the most interesting posts, to my mind, have been from people like bolen. The fact that I have no expertise in physics never bothered me.I would say that people who play D&D are the ones with way too much time on their hands, but since it's our time I suppose we are free to spend it how we choose. This unprovoked (and fairly tantrum-like) reaction to just the topic of historicism is a little disturbing. This thread is about settings with good fluff; your criticism of Eberron should, then, be grounded in its flavor, which certainly seems to have been the case. Because your criticism--or the criticism of yours I quoted, which was just one--was that Eberron doesn't fit into the historical model of reality (in which case it is helpful to know which model is the model), it doesn't feel so outrageous to me, as it apparently does to you, to inquire about that historical model.This is the only sort of response I was looking for, but this much was also clear from your statement that "These factors in combination are pretty well impossible for anything other than a society on the verge of a massive revolution."Good Will Hunting flashback. At any rate, Toynbee explains a lot. Thanks for responding; I'll try and remember not to engage you in this way in future.Thanks, but that's not what I was looking for.I read and enjoy philosophy of all kinds. Why this discussion has to devolve into me telling you this, or why it matters, I have no idea. I'm sorry that seems pseudo-intellectual to you. It seems that "pseudo-intellectual" is the insult par excellence to level against those positions you disagree with or can't wrap your head around. The WoD and especially Mage are pseudo-intellectual! Eberron is pseudo-intellectual! Anybody who challenges my position is clearly pseudo-intellectual! Calling things pseudo-intellectual is definitely pseudo-intellectual! Oh no, a paradox in the space-time continuum.. reality is imploding. *POOF*</blockquote>

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