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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8709449" data-attributes="member: 20564">Fireball has often been considered OP in 5e.  Here's some links:[MEDIA=reddit]dndnext/comments/pfqtbc[/MEDIA][MEDIA=reddit]DnD/comments/4usqxc[/MEDIA][URL unfurl="true"]https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2020/03/dd-fireball-is-the-best-spell-whatever-your-edition.html[/URL]But either way, you are trying to compare multiple already cast spells plus another casting now to a single casting of Fireball.  If you need to layer on all of those other spells to exceed it, then it is clear that your statement that Spirit Guardians blowing the the damage that Fireball does by itself is false.  If you are talking casting Spirit Guardians and then another round of casting, at the very least you would need to compare it to two actions of the wizard, such as two Fireballs.  And if you were being honest you'd compare to a wizard also with a concentration damage spell up.But really, stop trying to move the goalposts.  I've shown that in any practical matter that your statement that fireball can't keep up with spirit guardian damage is false because of all the difficulties in applying the damage to all of the targets for long enough with SG.If you want to say a cleric with those spells up is very cool, I'll agree with you.  My Order Cleric in our Ancient Greek themed game will often use that combination.</blockquote>