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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9596931" data-attributes="member: 6795602">At the start of the dayThe hp difference is at most 1 once tough is given to the fighter.Then if the fighter needs more hp midcombat he has 2 bonus actions he can use for more hp.&nbsp; If the warlock does, he's got nothing as he already used his slot on armor of agathys.Fighter is looking great for more combat still.&nbsp; Warlock is in a scary place, 7 hp means he can get 1 shot from tons of monsters in a single hit.I agree that 2nd wind will likely lose some efficiency for that exact reason.&nbsp; But if using it that way the fighter is also more likely to be at max hp.&nbsp; Whereas the warlock, every time he is damaged, his effective max hp lowers since temp hp doesn't restore the damage.Example.&nbsp; The 15 hp Fighter (16 con + tough) takes 7 damage on a round.&nbsp; 2nd wind will restore an average of 5.5 hp.&nbsp; 50% of the time the fighter will be back to max.&nbsp; 100% of the time he will have hp greater than the warlock described below.The 10 hp Warlock (14 con + armor of agathys) takes the same 7 damage on a round.&nbsp; He now is at 8hp.&nbsp; (Remember he doesn't have a 2nd cast of armor of agathys).After Short RestThe Fighter gets his expended use of 2nd wind backThe Warlock uses armor of agathys again to get 12 hp.But now we are most likely in a similar situation to the start, but the warlock is down -3 hp, the fighter going by averages would be down -1.5 hp.Blade Ward is interesting and makes up for some of the AC difference.Being able to use shield spell only puts the warlock AC basically up to the fighters AC (possibly 1 over depending on warlock variant) short rest + 1 times per adventuring day.&nbsp; It's not great.Durability isn't a measure of how often you avoid being attacked.&nbsp; It's a measure of how much you can take when being attacked.&nbsp; Ranged characters might live longer by virtue of not being attacked in the first place, but not being attacked in the first place doesn't make one more durable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 9596931, member: 6795602"] [B]At the start of the day[/B] The hp difference is at most 1 once tough is given to the fighter. Then if the fighter needs more hp midcombat he has 2 bonus actions he can use for more hp. If the warlock does, he's got nothing as he already used his slot on armor of agathys. Fighter is looking great for more combat still. Warlock is in a scary place, 7 hp means he can get 1 shot from tons of monsters in a single hit. I agree that 2nd wind will likely lose some efficiency for that exact reason. But if using it that way the fighter is also more likely to be at max hp. Whereas the warlock, every time he is damaged, his effective max hp lowers since temp hp doesn't restore the damage. [B]Example. [/B] The 15 hp Fighter (16 con + tough) takes 7 damage on a round. 2nd wind will restore an average of 5.5 hp. 50% of the time the fighter will be back to max. 100% of the time he will have hp greater than the warlock described below. The 10 hp Warlock (14 con + armor of agathys) takes the same 7 damage on a round. He now is at 8hp. (Remember he doesn't have a 2nd cast of armor of agathys). [B]After Short Rest[/B] The Fighter gets his expended use of 2nd wind back The Warlock uses armor of agathys again to get 12 hp. But now we are most likely in a similar situation to the start, but the warlock is down -3 hp, the fighter going by averages would be down -1.5 hp. Blade Ward is interesting and makes up for some of the AC difference. Being able to use shield spell only puts the warlock AC basically up to the fighters AC (possibly 1 over depending on warlock variant) short rest + 1 times per adventuring day. It's not great. Durability isn't a measure of how often you avoid being attacked. It's a measure of how much you can take when being attacked. Ranged characters might live longer by virtue of not being attacked in the first place, but not being attacked in the first place doesn't make one more durable. [/QUOTE]

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