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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IamIan" data-source="post: 2660342" data-attributes="member: 37394">What are the Fighters???If you go by the DM Guide for Buying Attribute Points ... It doesn't Matter....By Lv20 The Monk can have a 64,000 GP Devine Power Belt to Give him the Same +6 as Belt of Giant Strength +Extra Temporary HP... and Get his Base Attack up to Equal the Fighter... Magic Item Can Further Increase the Fighter's Base Attack... But the Monk With the Same Base Attack has 2 Extra Attacks at that Best Base Attack Bonus... and the Monk of Lv 20 can also get +5 Weapon bonus to his unarmed attacks.His Hands do More Damage than any One Handed Weapon Can Do and with his increased number of Attacks he will do more Damage per round than any 2 handed weapon.This all Ignores the fact that the Fighter would never even get a Chance... as the 120 Speed Monk can just Spring Attack Him from 60 feet away and be 60 feet away again after the Attack... The Fighter Has to Make a Charge Attack to get in Range... If he takes the Right Feats he can do this without provoking attack of opertunity.... otherwise it is a death sentance...This also Ignores that the Monk is Far Better Grappler Than the Fighter is and Grappleing is a Touch Attack which will ignore the Fighter's Armor and Shield , Natural AC Bonuses... making the fighter very easy to grapple and hit and then the monk is better in that range... Fighter looses....Or if the Monk Disarms the Fighter... The Fighter is in trouble .. unless he can also afford a couple spare +5 Weapons... which is unlikely given the money he already spent to compete with the monk.Plus the Monks Extra Healling 40HP compensates for Slightly Higher +20 HP of the Fighter.The Fighter would have to Spend more on DR that the Monk Gets for Free.In short the Fighter gets at best a Dex of +3 and Armor and Shields... Armor and Shield are negated by touch attack grapple...  Monk Gets Dex anything & Wis anything and +4 AC doesn't loose them against touch attacks... Monk Has at this point same to Hit as Fighter... but more attacks... Monk gets more self healing at 40 HP than the Fighter gets extra HP at 20.... Monk is faster... Etc...etc...</blockquote>

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