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<blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 2660382" data-attributes="member: 10397">Well maybe it wont, but Divine Power will. The Monk is not a full blown melee despite the fact that they probably need to be. Once a Cleric casts Divine Power, they have higher attack bonuses, and more hit points than the monk, as well as most likely dealing equal or greater damage between whatever weapon they have and the +6 Str. And the Cleric already has better AC. my point is, the Monk does have anti-magic defenses which would be useful in fightning a Cleric. Although those defenses are not 100%, and considering some of the things the Cleric has access to, not to mention the sheer number of spell slots, you shouldnt totally discount their magic either, however the big point is even if the Monk survives the first few spells, the Cleric can use a single spell to out melee the Monk once the Monk gets into melee range.Or the Cleric can simply have used Air Walk to be out of the Monk's reach.Now yes, the Monk is probably one of the few classes that might stand a chance against a Cleric toe to toe, due to their defenses. However, this thread is not primarily about one on one, one class versus another issues. Its about overall class balance.And the growing opinion seems to be that the Monk is a little under par, and the Cleric a bit above. And that makes sense...Monks have to rely on melee to contribute much to combat, yet they have only medium BAB, and mediocre AC and HP. The Ranger also has rather mediocre AC and HP, but at least has full BAB.Likewise the Cleric lacks any real overall weakness (physically durable, good saves, and spells to protect against just about anything), and still has considerable offensive and utility power.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Merlion, post: 2660382, member: 10397"] Well maybe it wont, but Divine Power will. The Monk is not a full blown melee despite the fact that they probably need to be. Once a Cleric casts Divine Power, they have higher attack bonuses, and more hit points than the monk, as well as most likely dealing equal or greater damage between whatever weapon they have and the +6 Str. And the Cleric already has better AC. my point is, the Monk does have anti-magic defenses which would be useful in fightning a Cleric. Although those defenses are not 100%, and considering some of the things the Cleric has access to, not to mention the sheer number of spell slots, you shouldnt totally discount their magic either, however the big point is even if the Monk survives the first few spells, the Cleric can use a single spell to out melee the Monk once the Monk gets into melee range. Or the Cleric can simply have used Air Walk to be out of the Monk's reach. Now yes, the Monk is probably one of the few classes that might stand a chance against a Cleric toe to toe, due to their defenses. However, this thread is not primarily about one on one, one class versus another issues. Its about overall class balance. And the growing opinion seems to be that the Monk is a little under par, and the Cleric a bit above. And that makes sense...Monks have to rely on melee to contribute much to combat, yet they have only medium BAB, and mediocre AC and HP. The Ranger also has rather mediocre AC and HP, but at least has full BAB. Likewise the Cleric lacks any real overall weakness (physically durable, good saves, and spells to protect against just about anything), and still has considerable offensive and utility power. [/QUOTE]

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