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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 2660596" data-attributes="member: 224"><p>Yer all over th' map, bub. Let's try to <em>nail</em> you down a bit. Let's use 32 pt attribute buy, as in the DMG (p169), which is a "high-powered campaign". (Something tells me the campaign you play in is higher. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) For a monk, you'll need 4 good stats: Str, Dex, Wis, Con. Depending on your build, you might want a reasonable Int. Chr can be your dump stat.</p><p></p><p>With 32 pt-buy, you can get: 16, 14, 14, 14, 12, 8. (Why don't you post how you would distribute it, rather than doing all of that arm-waving?) </p><p></p><p>A good monk build doesn't neglect Str.....but you want a high AC monk, so I'll put the 16 in Dex as you are advocating:</p><p></p><p>Str 14, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 14, Chr 8</p><p></p><p>Now, let's level him up to Mnk 10, to take advantage of that extra AC bonus. Add 2 (level bonus) to his Wis for the extra AC. And let's give him the wealth of a 10th lvl PC - 49,000gp. There's lots of options here, but let's give him: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Belt of Str +4 (16,000gp)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gloves of Dexterity +2 (4,000gp)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Headband of Wisdom +2 (4,000gp)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bracers of Armor +3 (9,000gp) </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ring of Deflection +1 (2,000gp) </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Amulet of Natural Armor +2 (8,000gp)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cloak of Protection +2 (4,000gp)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Misc potions and odds-and-ends (2,000gp)</li> </ul><p></p><p>As I look at this guy, I see an AC of 26. [10 + 4(Dex) + 4(Wis) + 2(Mnk) +3(Armor) + 2 (Nat) +1 (Deflect)]</p><p></p><p>That's not bad....until you realize that the <em>NPC Ftr</em> in the DMG has an AC of <u>only 2 less</u> (24), and has worse stats and far less equipment wealth.....</p><p></p><p>It's time to put yer money where your mouth is, IamIan. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nail, post: 2660596, member: 224"] Yer all over th' map, bub. Let's try to [i]nail[/i] you down a bit. Let's use 32 pt attribute buy, as in the DMG (p169), which is a "high-powered campaign". (Something tells me the campaign you play in is higher. :) ) For a monk, you'll need 4 good stats: Str, Dex, Wis, Con. Depending on your build, you might want a reasonable Int. Chr can be your dump stat. With 32 pt-buy, you can get: 16, 14, 14, 14, 12, 8. (Why don't you post how you would distribute it, rather than doing all of that arm-waving?) A good monk build doesn't neglect Str.....but you want a high AC monk, so I'll put the 16 in Dex as you are advocating: Str 14, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 14, Chr 8 Now, let's level him up to Mnk 10, to take advantage of that extra AC bonus. Add 2 (level bonus) to his Wis for the extra AC. And let's give him the wealth of a 10th lvl PC - 49,000gp. There's lots of options here, but let's give him:[list][*]Belt of Str +4 (16,000gp) [*]Gloves of Dexterity +2 (4,000gp) [*]Headband of Wisdom +2 (4,000gp) [*]Bracers of Armor +3 (9,000gp) [*]Ring of Deflection +1 (2,000gp) [*]Amulet of Natural Armor +2 (8,000gp) [*]Cloak of Protection +2 (4,000gp) [*]Misc potions and odds-and-ends (2,000gp)[/list] As I look at this guy, I see an AC of 26. [10 + 4(Dex) + 4(Wis) + 2(Mnk) +3(Armor) + 2 (Nat) +1 (Deflect)] That's not bad....until you realize that the [i]NPC Ftr[/i] in the DMG has an AC of [u]only 2 less[/u] (24), and has worse stats and far less equipment wealth..... It's time to put yer money where your mouth is, IamIan. ;) :D [/QUOTE]
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