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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IamIan" data-source="post: 2661371" data-attributes="member: 37394">I agree.... a Fighter who gave up armor and weapons and went with a grapple build could be +3 Grapple better but would only do d4+9  istead of Monk's d10+9.... of couse a barbarian build would be better yet with Rage adding to Str for Grapple..... the point is that the monk is capable of specializing to be competative in many various fields.... the monk also can move into grapple allot faster than the fighter... but the fighter get more other feats.... and the Monk gets all saves are good....specializing allows a class to excelle greatly... a fighter who tried to multi-task with weapons... armor... etc.... would have spent money there and not focused on the grapple build and could have been a good grappler but not nearly as good as a dedicated speciazed grapple character...Monks have a great ability to specialize  especially by high levels.... Clerics to me give up this specializing power in favor of being better than average at allot of things... but the only thing a cleric can still shine in and specialize well is as a healer... the class forces a sertain amount of jack of all tradeness... which being able to do a wide variety of things can be useful in a wide variety of situations but loses the ability to excelle... being good at a lot of things is not in my opinion better than being able to specialize.... yes it still has value but versatility I do not think beats specialization.</blockquote>

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