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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zimbel" data-source="post: 2671770" data-attributes="member: 29912">Heh. sounds a lot like my last high-level campaign- 7 players, rotating DM bewteen 4, DM's PC did something else during their run. If either of the major spellcasters were out, there was a lot more impact than the DMs who played frontliners. Once we both were out.However this tends to lend support to the conclusion that at least at LV 19, a cleric is stronger than (whatever their classes are).Of course, for all I know, one of the other PCs is also a Cleric <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> The reality is that you need a much larger sample size (or a way to improve control on your samples by a couple orders of power), which is annoying to get or create. Frankly at any level 15-18,20, I've only played one PC (in 3.0, a sorcerer) for LV 19,21-22, I've only DMed. From those, I can increase your sample size to 2 with minimal effort on my part: at LV 18, when the Cleric was out vs around LV 18 when the cleric was in (but a ranger/overpowerful prestige class was out) in an otherwise nearly identicle party, the party was far stronger with the cleric than with the ranger. Some of that was, admittedly the players; the Cleric build was fairly good, whereas the Ranger build was, even with the broken prestige class, not particuarly good. Simuarly, the Cleric's tactics were typically much better than the Ranger's. However, every time the Cleric's player DMed (or the Sorcerer's player DMed), the other party members would notice a large power difference.Another possibility is that you're just a more challenging DM <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> One thing with rotating DMs that one notices is a wide dispartity of abilities and issues. Really, a better sample would control for DM (which the above happened to).</blockquote>

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