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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 2673541" data-attributes="member: 224">We can discuss non-core.&nbsp; Not a problem.....and some of that non-core stuff is broken and/or poorly designed.&nbsp; Does that mean that a Core class that can use it is broken/poorly designed?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Of course not.If those are the only weaknesses of the Clerics that you see, I can understand your concern.&nbsp; Is it possible you've simplified this list of weaknesses too far?You keep saying this, and I don't buy it.&nbsp; I've played clerics, I've DMed clerics.&nbsp; I've seen the spell in play a few times.....and it's not seemed over-powered when used.&nbsp; Often it's a &quot;band-aid spell&quot; applied after the fact.&nbsp; If you'd like, I'd be happy to detail my experiences.&nbsp;I'm afraid you're going to have to put your money where your mouth is.&nbsp; Have you seen this spell in play?&nbsp; Where and how, exactly?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 2673541, member: 224"] We can discuss non-core. Not a problem. ....and some of that non-core stuff is broken and/or poorly designed. Does that mean that a Core class that can use it is broken/poorly designed? Of course not. If those are the only weaknesses of the Clerics that you see, I can understand your concern. Is it possible you've simplified this list of weaknesses too far? You keep saying this, and I don't buy it. I've played clerics, I've DMed clerics. I've seen the spell in play a few times.....and it's not seemed over-powered when used. Often it's a "band-aid spell" applied after the fact. If you'd like, I'd be happy to detail my experiences. I'm afraid you're going to have to put your money where your mouth is. [b]Have you seen this spell in play? [u]Where[/u] and [u]how[/u], exactly?[/b] [/QUOTE]

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