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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 2659019" data-attributes="member: 35788">I think you missed a few words in my post.  The "I digress part" means that my next comments go back to the original question.  I am saying that the weakest class depends on the type of campaign.For example - an all RP campaign with no combat at all probably is going to have a fighter as a weak character, because they've got virtually no skills and no outlet to shine.  Perhaps this is a silly example, but it makes a point.Or, a campaign set on other planes (which may dampen or distort magic casting) might make an arcane caster weaker.To be honest, I would wonder if a no-combat campaign wouldn't make the cleric a less than desireable class.  No combat would mean no real need to heal damage.  So no bandaid needed.  They don't have great skillpoints, so they wouldn't shine in skill areas.  About the only thing a cleric could do at that point would be to get feats to boost what few skills he does have or find other ways to use turning attempts.  Now, I'm not saying the cleric would be worthless - I think a fighter would be more useless than a cleric in this situation - but I'd certainly rather play a bard, rogue, wizard, sorcerer or even a monk before I'd play a cleric in a no-combat campaign.  Okay, maybe not the monk.My point is - although you got testy - that even though I never stated it, there are campaigns that people might find interesting that just don't suit clerics.  The great thing about fantasy is that anything can happen.  If a person is creative enough, they can DM a situation to favor any given class or hinder any given class.The value of a class is largely dependant on two factors - the person playing it and the campaign setting.  Those two factors have great impact on a class being underpowered or overpowered in everyone else's eyes.</blockquote>

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