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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 2659057" data-attributes="member: 35788">I'm not saying the cleric class isn't strong.  I'm also not saying that the cleric class is overpowered, ether.I just think it is funny that very few people tend to pick cleric as their first desire to play.  The cleric is valuable - there is no doubt.  But in my opinion a class that comparatively few people choose to play is not worth getting one's knickers in a bunch!Each class has its value.  Each class has its moments of greatness.  I can (and do!) play a horrible theiving and sneaking rogue.  Does that make the rogue class underpowered because I can't play those aspects of it well?  No - it means that its gifts do not jive with my way of thinking and my way of approaching the game.  I can, however, make a bard, a ranger, a cleric, or a paladin that will knock you up one side and down another with some of the combos I can put together.  [Not meaning that offensively, just stating that some combinations in those classes are downright lethal!]  But that isn't necessarily because those classes are better ... it means that those classes fit my way of thinking - how I approach the game.That's what makes D&D so much fun in my opinion.  The fact that I can play a horrible rogue but an awesome bard while someone else can absolutely butcher the bard class but play one heck of a rogue ... is what makes the game fun.  It isn't one better than the other - although there are disrepancies ... sure.  But alot of it depends on what the DM wants to do to let the characters shine and how much intelligence each player can put behind their character builds.  To me, that's what makes or break a character.  It's the DM and the player - not the rulebook.</blockquote>

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