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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kristivas" data-source="post: 2659378" data-attributes="member: 34179">I voted Bard.No one in any of my games ever uses a Bard.  I don't run just hack/slash games, either.  My players often find themselves embroiled in politics/social scenarios.  Still, in the end, it all comes back to dungeon crawling and they all want to be useful in combat.  (I also blame it on Elan from Order of the Stick.  After reading that, no one I know will ever play a bard again lol)In 2nd Ed, I remember Bards being stronger (at least in the campaigns I played in).  The DM would always allow me to pick 1 combat spell per spell level, so I guess that might be one thing.  I was really a fan of the class back then.I'll add in that I think monks really are freakin' underpowered too (but not as much as the bard).  Since I don't have a large group of players, I'll let them pick one or two NPCs to accompany the party and in the last game they picked a monk for one and he got tore up pretty badly (and died hehe).  They replaced him with a Gnoll Ranger/Barbarian, but that's neither here nor there.I don't think Sorcerers are underpowered at all.  I've seen my brother try to play one (he usually plays dumb warrior-types) and fail miserably, but from a game I played in awhile back, I saw some darn good sorcerer playin'.  Spell after spell in every battle can be mighty handy.  Imho, if someone's playing an underpowered sorcerer, they picked the wrong spells or they have the wrong mindset for the class.The Fighter.  I'm kinda stuck here.  The only down side to the fighter is lack of a will save.  Sure, they don't get rage or lay on hands or any such exciting ability, but taking 20 feats can make a pretty tough (and versatile) melee combatant.  Probably the only class that could pick the feats to use 2 weapons, shield bashing, ranged combat, mounted combat, ect, and still pick a few utility feats after that.  Sure, when they get charmed and they're beating on your cleric you'll curse them, but if you can get them a good will save (iron will, multiclass with a cleric or something) then the fighter is a tough combatant.  Probably one of my favorite classes, even though I always multiclass with something else to up that will save and give a few added abilities.Haven't had enough experience with Rangers to be able to make an informed opinion.  I know that d8 hit points kinda shocked a few of my players.  Same with druids.  I guess we're not really into the whole nature thing.  Whenever one of my players wants to make an Aragorn-type, he just makes a fighter and spends a few skill points to cross-class survival.  I don't think Paladins are underpowered, nor wizards or Barbarians (well, maybe for the high end).  Rogues, imho, deffinately are not.Though not mentioned here, Psychic Warriors get the shaft as well.  I'd vote for that one a dozen times.  One of the closest DnD classes to a Jedi and they're floppy.  Ahh well.</blockquote>

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