Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 2659862" data-attributes="member: 3146">My view:Monk is not an underpowered class. It's just a class that's easy to screw up because 3 out of 4 players seem to think "ooh, monk--I'll take a 10 strength and beat up bad guys; I get 2d10 damage from my fists" and then wonder why they're doing 11 points of damage at 20th level when the fighter is doing 35 points of damage and one point of con per hit. If you use stunning fist, grapple, etc to your advantage, however, and get the party to properly buff you, you end up very effective. And it doesn't require particularly high ability scores to do right either. Two of the most combat effective Living Greyhawk characters I've seen are 28 point buy monks. (Of course, I've seen quite a few weak Living Greyhawk monks too for exactly the reaons I described earlier--if you ever end up saying "but without spikes, my character won't deal any damage" it should be a clue that your character has completely neglected his offensive ability).Paladin is a hard class to judge. Core rules only, I'd say that they're weak--at least until level 10 or so. However, with divine might, extra smiting, etc, I think they hang in with the other classes very well. Paladins benefit a LOT from non-core material.Fighter is another class that benefits a lot from non-core material. With Complete Warrior, etc, I think that the fighter class stands up to barbarian etc quite well--even at high levels. In a core only game, it's probably a bit weak but the problem is primarily the lack of specific abilities past level 12. (And the real competition IME is not the barbarian or the paladin but the barbarian/fighter).Bard is, as other people have pointed out, a support character. In that role, a bard is a very useful and powerful character, but they aren't as shiny as wizards, clerics, etc. Their problem is spotlight time not power.The only class that I've observed to be weak is the rogue and I wouldn't really say weak as much as vulnerable to being screwed over. Playing a rogue in an undead module or a game full of constructs is an exercise in frustration. Since such modules are fairly common--especially at high levels, Rogue can be underpowered.</blockquote>

Verification