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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IamIan" data-source="post: 2659911" data-attributes="member: 37394">Yes it was I who voted Cleric weakest class....The only ways Clerics can honestly compete is when people stop playing them as clerics and start playing them as just people with powers and abilities...I mean a Cleric is supposed to be a "Man of God" not just anybody who beleives either this guy actually gets power from his god unlike the masses of commoners and other classes that may also beleive in the same God.... The Paladin is a Crusading Person so he is expected to go out and fight evil and as such having lots of magic and weapons makes since.....The Cleric can only have any amount of personal wealth when he either worships an Evil God or he turns a blind eye to the less fortunate around him... yes sorry starving commoners I know my 100,000 GP Armor could feed the whole town for most of a Year ... but really I need it you see... There might be some problem that may come up someday ... Faith in my God you say or Faith in the powers he gives me...??? ... yeagh well Faith is all fine and good my son but you just dont' understand.. and the "Good" Cleric walks away from the starving masses.... Unless the DM Makes there be to starving and no rich / Poor distinction in the whole world...The Cleric either spends all his time and spell casting trying to cure this farmer and have a miricle of food here etc...etc.... but no...in my experience no DM --EVER-- makes a Cleric be Cleric... they let them act as selfish and greedy as every one else which should piss people off... the commoners should be upset with and angery with the God for blessing and helping such a selfish cold hearted greedy person...How happy would you be at your church if the Priest / Minister / Rabi .. etc... came in driving a 200,000 Car wearing Gold and Diamond Jewls before going back to his 3rd home all of which are at least 50 room+ unless he flew his personel jet.... all the time he is preaching to you about giving to the church and the less fortunate telling you to have faith and work through your problems... People would get pissed... I saw it happen several times when Holly people were outwardly living it up just a bit too much...As for thier Fighting .... head to head they are not the best fighting class... they are not the Best Offensive Class .... The are not the best at Saves ... The only thing they excell at is healing people... Now when the love they enemy as your self Cleric can go around killing those goblins and keep all the tressure for himself or his marry band of mercinaries ... then yeagh sure he becomes more powerful.... but he is only more  powerful becuase the DM is doing a Piss poor job of making him play a Cleric and not a magic using fighter mercinary.If the Cleric can get away with it becuase his God is Evil then ... How many Human Sacrifices and how many times he does something evil before the Palladins and Good Clerics and people of the World Seek him out to End his Evil Ways and Free the People of the Land??How many Players have spent Game Time With thier Cleric Holding Holy Service??? Or Building a Church??? Managing the Affairs of the Church at Higher Levels ??? How about Competeing with other Clerics for followers and trying to convince LG Characters they need to stop thier sinful ways and see the True Light of Thier God??? Never Seems to come up in the games I have played....  as Holy as these men of God are there doesn't seem to be much reason why any other class doesn't get Cleric Holy Power for thier Faith in a God...</blockquote>

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