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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 2660292" data-attributes="member: 1134">I put monlk and bard for the many reasons already gone over by others.I almost put wizard and sorcerer as well.  The reason for this is they are maybe the weakest low level classes in the game.  And at high levels they still aren't as good as the cleric/druid.  Though since clerics/druids are overpowered maybe they balance at high levels.  The thing is many of the things wiz/sor supposedly can do on a mechanical level they really never should get the chance to do.  D4 hp , no armor and just the will save is good.  How the heck do they survive the first round in order to do there fantastic things.  There defense spells aren't the type you leave up all day, so unless there in the lets kick open the big double doors and finght the bad guys situaitons where they have time to buff, they should be dead before they have a chance to display any of there power.  They are the most likely class to die first with a contingency being there only chance at a save.But its a game, and games are supposed to be fun so the DM doesn't throw his/her equal level oponents at the party as smart as the party throws themselves at there foes.  The wiz/sor survies a couple rounds before any really tough attention is brought there way and they get to shine and look powerful.</blockquote>