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<blockquote data-quote="IamIan" data-source="post: 2660444" data-attributes="member: 37394"><p>Multi-Tasking Characters are only comparable in power to a dedicated best Character when the party group is a bunch of Multi-Taskers with no one Focusing on anything.... and you never face a Dedicated Group.</p><p></p><p>A Cleric if up front Fighting with the Fighters is not useing any spells as they would require concentration checks and provoke attack of opertunities.... so in this roll he is a sub-par fighter... trying to fill the roll of a full fighter...</p><p></p><p>I understand that multi-tasking has a benfefit... but things are lost as well.... </p><p></p><p>Yes... The Cleric has 1 HP / Lv less than the Fighter... but also only has 1 HP / Lv more than a Rogue... and the Rogue is not a HP Bag and it isnt' generally a good idea to try to play them as such...</p><p></p><p>A Multi-Tasking Group with a Cleric a Fighter a Rogue and a Wizard... meets another group of 4 Barbarians of equal Level to the first group... the First group is in trouble... they lost the power of specialization by trying to multi-task... The Wizard will be useful if he can stay at a distance from the fighting... the Rogue needs Sneak attack to be useful... the Cleric will not do as well as the Fighter will....</p><p></p><p>4 Clerics vs 4 Barbarians again the clerics are not as good of fighters and are going to be having casualties fast....</p><p></p><p>So yes the lack of specialization of a class directly relates to its relative power... of course it all depends as many have said on the situation... and situations vary which is why people like to mutli-task thier characters.</p><p></p><p>------------</p><p></p><p>"roleplaying issues, which are irrelevent to a discussion of balance"</p><p></p><p>... that way of thinking is exactly why they are not concidered and people view the cleric as soo powerful... becuase they don't role-play... as sad as that is for a role-playing game... People hack and slash.... Role-Playing issues should always matter to a Role-Playing Game... becuase any time you play it they should matter.... </p><p></p><p>That is like Saying A Rogue will never get to use thier Sneak attack becuase the Cleric always sees them at the other end of the battle Field... </p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>how about this for a role-playing issue....</p><p></p><p>Lv 20 Barbarian gets Magic Books to boost Str and such only leaving enough money for a Anti-Magic Field Item and a adamtine weapon and maybe adamtine armor ... He then proceeds to beat the crap out of every single variation of the Cleric as non of them can compete with him in combat espeically when thier magic is all not working as soon as he gets 10 feet from them... which they don't realise until they are less then 10 feet becuase they have the mistaken idea that they are decent fighters and can hold thier own...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IamIan, post: 2660444, member: 37394"] Multi-Tasking Characters are only comparable in power to a dedicated best Character when the party group is a bunch of Multi-Taskers with no one Focusing on anything.... and you never face a Dedicated Group. A Cleric if up front Fighting with the Fighters is not useing any spells as they would require concentration checks and provoke attack of opertunities.... so in this roll he is a sub-par fighter... trying to fill the roll of a full fighter... I understand that multi-tasking has a benfefit... but things are lost as well.... Yes... The Cleric has 1 HP / Lv less than the Fighter... but also only has 1 HP / Lv more than a Rogue... and the Rogue is not a HP Bag and it isnt' generally a good idea to try to play them as such... A Multi-Tasking Group with a Cleric a Fighter a Rogue and a Wizard... meets another group of 4 Barbarians of equal Level to the first group... the First group is in trouble... they lost the power of specialization by trying to multi-task... The Wizard will be useful if he can stay at a distance from the fighting... the Rogue needs Sneak attack to be useful... the Cleric will not do as well as the Fighter will.... 4 Clerics vs 4 Barbarians again the clerics are not as good of fighters and are going to be having casualties fast.... So yes the lack of specialization of a class directly relates to its relative power... of course it all depends as many have said on the situation... and situations vary which is why people like to mutli-task thier characters. ------------ "roleplaying issues, which are irrelevent to a discussion of balance" ... that way of thinking is exactly why they are not concidered and people view the cleric as soo powerful... becuase they don't role-play... as sad as that is for a role-playing game... People hack and slash.... Role-Playing issues should always matter to a Role-Playing Game... becuase any time you play it they should matter.... That is like Saying A Rogue will never get to use thier Sneak attack becuase the Cleric always sees them at the other end of the battle Field... ... how about this for a role-playing issue.... Lv 20 Barbarian gets Magic Books to boost Str and such only leaving enough money for a Anti-Magic Field Item and a adamtine weapon and maybe adamtine armor ... He then proceeds to beat the crap out of every single variation of the Cleric as non of them can compete with him in combat espeically when thier magic is all not working as soon as he gets 10 feet from them... which they don't realise until they are less then 10 feet becuase they have the mistaken idea that they are decent fighters and can hold thier own... [/QUOTE]
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