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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2664236" data-attributes="member: 307">I'm not seeing this so much a personal attack as a statement of fact - he gets his math wrong frequently. So much so that multiple posters have pointed it out.Maybe any of those could be true, but the problem is that many people have suggested those were the issue, and IamIan has denied most of them - that was the explicit reason why he posted his half-orc grappler monk: it was an effort to prove that modestly statted, well-played monks were overpowered. And it was a laughable attempt, to the point where he has gotten multiple responses of incredulity. As a raw book example, his grappling monk is so ludicrously underpowered that it seems implausible such a character would survive two rounds against level-appropriate foes. My counterexample fighter wasn't even an attempt to craft a really good fighter, I dashed it out in about ten minutes of flipping through the PHB and DMG. I probably could have come up with something "better" given time. It also wasn't especially designed to counter the grappling monk, it was just a vanillaish fighter build.Monks are not horrible. They will never be the front-line fighter the full BAB classes are, but can still be fun to play. But overpowered? Not a chance.</blockquote>