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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IamIan" data-source="post: 2664332" data-attributes="member: 37394">I posted on that thread  how a fighter can be better and where he falls behind in grappling...I also Posted how the extra str from the barbarian's rage gives him an edge over other types of grapplers.... I never said the grappler was the best build for all senarios.... which is what people thn proceeded to do ....Grappplers always are in trouble when faced with many foes....But the Target I was asked to make a monk to beat was the Magic  Armor Magic Weapon Weilding  fighter... limited to lv 10 money and power.... the monk as I stated  earily on before the lv10 challenege was   both monk and fighter die from wet floor at low levels........ the fighter gets ahead in mid level becuase of many things that allow the monk to get ahead at higher levels are too costly at mid level.... By high level the monk can easily have an edge over the fighter becuase he can stack benefits from more sources than the fighter can... and armor and shield's are easily to get around with touch attacks and are more limited than the monk in the amount they can help....But... Instead of folllowing what I was asked to do and what I did or the progression I have posted many times.... people just keep seeing just that I say monk powerul Cleric weak and they ignore the rest...I also said that the build of the grappler was a focus not a AC and not a multi-tasker... but that was also ignored ....oh well....as for my experience... I have been playing Role -Playing games and D&D for over 20 years... I have seen allot.... I have read the rules .... but that doesn't matter....I have been told an Anti-Magic Field Item would way ... too powerful and no DM should ever let it in the game... but  some how Wish Spell Rings and Atrifacts are somehow less powerful than wish spell rings???? but oh well.. I guess... I just dont' see the tactics or bigger picture... Maybe not.... But The forums were supposed to be about what people thought and why... I said that and have tried to explain why as asked.... but all I get is attacked.... fine.. people are that way.... sorry I disagree... but...Monk... ober powerfulCleric weak as kitten....That is what I think...  have tried to show why... but it keeps getting taken out of context and twisted... so ... to everyone else.. .when they ask for your opinion on a polll... this is what will happen.. .expect it.... They dont' want your opinion .... they want you to agree and when you dont' they fight about it....sorry but that is what I see...</blockquote>

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