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Which Class or classes do you feel are unbalanced-Underpowered
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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2664377" data-attributes="member: 307"><p>Except that you definitively <em>haven't</em> shown that. The example fighter would wipe the floor with your monkl at all levels. That's why you are having a hard time convincing anyone you are right - the facts presented simply don't back up your opinions. The things that you seem to think "allow the monk to get ahead" are just as available to the fighter, and they have an array of other, often more valuable items that they can get for less expense. When you are forced to get down to concrete examples, your opinions simply don't hold up - they are not backed by any substance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And his low AC and lousy hit points make him useless. He's not even that good at grappling, unless he uses a temporary one shot item (the <em>potion of enlarge person</em>) he's no better at grappling than the example fighter, and for the example fighter grappling was his third best method of combat. How "overpowered' are you when your best mode of combat is no better than a straight fighter's third best?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Allowing such a magic item would be a house rule, such is clearly stated in the DMG. This is not the house rules forum, which makes it irrelevant to the dicussion. The magic item creation guidelines <em>also</em> say that certain items simply are not priced appropriately using the pricing guidelines - items of <em>true strike</em> are the most obvious example. A continuous <em>antimagic</em> item would be another.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And failed miserably. Until you can show an actual example of an overpowered monk (or on the flip side of your opinion, you could give examples of characters who would vastly overshadow a cleric of the same level, point value, and equipment value), your opinion has nothing to back it up other than your repeated claims, all of which have been countered with actual, concrete examples. If you want people to listen to your opion, you should <em>actually back it up with something</em>. As of yet, you haven't. It isn't that we dislike the fact that you have a different opinion, it is that <em>your opinion is so clearly counter to the facts that have been shown thus far</em>. Give examples - actual, concrete examples of what you are talking about and people might listen to you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 2664377, member: 307"] Except that you definitively [i]haven't[/i] shown that. The example fighter would wipe the floor with your monkl at all levels. That's why you are having a hard time convincing anyone you are right - the facts presented simply don't back up your opinions. The things that you seem to think "allow the monk to get ahead" are just as available to the fighter, and they have an array of other, often more valuable items that they can get for less expense. When you are forced to get down to concrete examples, your opinions simply don't hold up - they are not backed by any substance. [i][/i] And his low AC and lousy hit points make him useless. He's not even that good at grappling, unless he uses a temporary one shot item (the [i]potion of enlarge person[/i]) he's no better at grappling than the example fighter, and for the example fighter grappling was his third best method of combat. How "overpowered' are you when your best mode of combat is no better than a straight fighter's third best? [i][/i] Allowing such a magic item would be a house rule, such is clearly stated in the DMG. This is not the house rules forum, which makes it irrelevant to the dicussion. The magic item creation guidelines [i]also[/i] say that certain items simply are not priced appropriately using the pricing guidelines - items of [i]true strike[/i] are the most obvious example. A continuous [i]antimagic[/i] item would be another. [i][/i] And failed miserably. Until you can show an actual example of an overpowered monk (or on the flip side of your opinion, you could give examples of characters who would vastly overshadow a cleric of the same level, point value, and equipment value), your opinion has nothing to back it up other than your repeated claims, all of which have been countered with actual, concrete examples. If you want people to listen to your opion, you should [i]actually back it up with something[/i]. As of yet, you haven't. It isn't that we dislike the fact that you have a different opinion, it is that [i]your opinion is so clearly counter to the facts that have been shown thus far[/i]. Give examples - actual, concrete examples of what you are talking about and people might listen to you. [/QUOTE]
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