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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2665279" data-attributes="member: 2011">You yourself have illustrated that the Monk has a lower AC in a best versus best contest. Let's look at the rest of your error.You gave the Fighter:+5 Mithral Full Plate (35650 GP)+5 Tower Shield (25180 GP)You gave the Monk:Race Elf+5 Manual of Quickness of Action (137,000 GP)+6 Gloves of Dexterity (36,000 GP)+5 Tome of Understanding (137,000 GP)+6 Periapt of Wisdom (36,000 GP)You spent 60,830 GP on the Fighter and 346,000 GP on the Monk (nearly half of his 20th level wealth on AC). Does that sound equitable to you???You even gave the Monk an advantageous race. You did not do the same for the Fighter.Hmmmm.Let's look at what you forgot to give the Fighter:Amulet of Natural Armor +5 to get +5 more AC (50,000 GP)The Monk cannot take an Amulet of Natural Armor unless he gives up his Periapt of Wisdom.You forgot to give the Monk:Bracers of Armor +8 (instead of +6 Gauntlets of Dexterity) to get +5 more AC (64,000 GP instead of 36,000 GP)So, with this more equitable to both sides approach:Fighter AC 30, 110,830 GP Monk AC 29, 374,000 GPThe Monk could better his AC by spending even more money and getting the Amulet of Natural Armor and giving up his Periapt of Wisdom:Fighter AC 30, 110,830 GP Monk AC 31, 388,000 GPThe Monk spent 3.5 times as much as the Fighter in order to get one higher AC. And note: the Fighter could easily get the 16 Dex with Gloves of Dexterity if his Dex is not high enough.But, what if the Fighter decides to use HIS advantages like the money he has not spent and his boatload of combat feats?+5 Manual of Gainful Exercise (137,000 GP) combined with Combat Expertise, +2 to +3 more AC and still 140,000 GP less spent. Even without spending the money on the Manual, a 20th level Fighter has 5 more BAB than a Monk and can lower his BAB by 5 and improve his AC by 5 and STILL be a better combatant type than the Monk (still does more damage, still has more hit points, and has a better AC).Or even better yet, Improved Combat Expertise.Granted, the Monk could do this as well, but he is already using up money like crazy and feats like Weapon Finesse and Improved Grapple to become the uber grapple Monk. If you keep trying to keep him up with the Fighter AC-wise, he will suffer in other ways.The math does not lie. You are mistaken here, even at 20th level.</blockquote>

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