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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 2665741" data-attributes="member: 10397">I've never really heard anyone speak of Fighters as having good saves, other than Fortitude. I mean yes they can compensate for the other two being poor catagories to a point, but their still not very likely to make saves in their poor catagories (as is the case for everyone).And when you contrast this with other melee classes...Paladins get Cha to saves, plus get more good out of a high Wis thus helping Will saves as well...Monks have all Good saves, and Rangers still have the Will weakness (although less so than the Fighter, since a Ranger is going to have a deccent or even good Wis for skills and spells), but has good Reflex.  These two are generally useful, although the TWF has some weaknesses (lower attack bonuses, lower AC, and you cant usualy really get the good out of it till at least the second round of combat). I dont think the Barbarian really has a "sweet spot". Thats part of my problem. Their abilities tend to be equally effective in pretty much any combat. How often are you likely to need too? Doesnt the system assume like 3 or 4 encounters per day?Now note I dont feel the Fighter is drastically underpowered. I just think it lags a little with the other melees, and needs a little more reason to actually go to higher levels.</blockquote>