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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2665883" data-attributes="member: 29014">No, they don't.&nbsp; Read Bless again.&nbsp; And yes, you are conflating the argument of Bard vs Rogue with the argument of magical buffs vs meleers, support vs action, an argument against which I'm not willing to argue because I agree with the latter half.&nbsp; It's one reason why I always like to play magic-using classes.&nbsp; The point is that what you are really comparing here is the mathematical utility of buffing over attacking, which is an interesting argument in its own right and depends on group dynamics and the way they like to fight, particularly quick strikes with few allies vs a long protracted battle with many allies.My main point is this:&nbsp; The Rogue and the Bard have different jobs.&nbsp; The Bard doesn't need to keep up with the Rogue or compare to it, just like she doesn't need to compare herself to the Barbarian--she needs to keep up with the other classes that are more similar to the Bard's buffing support role, the Cleric and Druid, and perhaps Wizard too.&nbsp; The Bard is weak because it is eclipsed in its role as party support by superior classes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2665883, member: 29014"] No, they don't. Read Bless again. And yes, you [I]are[/I] conflating the argument of Bard vs Rogue with the argument of magical buffs vs meleers, support vs action, an argument against which I'm not willing to argue because I [b]agree[/b] with the latter half. It's one reason why I always like to play magic-using classes. The point is that what you are really comparing here is the mathematical utility of buffing over attacking, which is an interesting argument in its own right and depends on group dynamics and the way they like to fight, particularly quick strikes with few allies vs a long protracted battle with many allies. My main point is this: The Rogue and the Bard have different jobs. The Bard doesn't need to keep up with the Rogue or compare to it, just like she doesn't need to compare herself to the Barbarian--she needs to keep up with the other classes that are more similar to the Bard's buffing support role, the Cleric and Druid, and perhaps Wizard too. The Bard is weak because it is eclipsed in its role as party support by superior classes. [/QUOTE]

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