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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2666469" data-attributes="member: 2011">Hmmm.The Wizard takes the Arcane Disciple feat and the Healing Domain and he can now heal himself and others.You can minmax any character from any class and make them more powerful.What does a Cleric really get over a Wizard?Better Fort saves.Better Will saves.+1 BAB from levels 2 to 6 (after that, the BAB increase starts becoming irrelevant due to the number of spells available per day).2 more hit points per level.The ability to wear armor and hence better AC at some levels.Buff spells.Spontaneous Cures.What does a Wizard really get over a Cleric?Same or better Reflex saves.Area effect spells, not just damaging ones, but entrapping ones as well.Single character defensive spells.Movement, both due to not wearing armor and due to better movement spells.Scrolls, the Cleric has to use a feat to acquire scrolls.Illusions, Clerics have virtually no illusions whereas that is one of the better ways for a Wizard to stay alive.But, if Wizards were as weak as some people are implying, how come they do not die left and right in PC parties?No doubt about it. Clerics are more powerful. I think they are the most powerful class in the game, even stronger than Druids. But, they are not overwhelming when it comes to magic. They can adversely affect others, but they tend not to. They tend to augment their allies.</blockquote>