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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 2666560" data-attributes="member: 10397">Umm...since when is BAB ever irrelevent? if this is the case, why not just give everyone full BAB? all you mention is "buff spells". Cleric really dont get that many buffs other than their self only ones. But they do get the best magical defense spells in the game...Spell Resistance, DW, FoMThey also have better divinations. Mostly equal save or dies where it matters. Healing and restoration which wizards are barred from for some reason. Considerable (although inferior) mobility, and disability magic. I fail to see how this is terribly relevent to these kinds of character. So the fullplate wearing cleric has 10 feet less speed than the armorless wizard. So what? I'm pretty sure its all levels.. No, he has to use a feat to make them. He can still aqquire them. And I think this is more than balanced by a Clerics auto access to his whole spell list. Wizards arent weak. They lack access to a few spells they should have, but as a class they are balanced. I just like to use Wizard as an example of why Clerics are overpowered.  Wizards were the original full casters. They get 9 levels of powerful spells, and loose basically everything else in exchange. Clerics get 9 levels of equally but differently powerful spells...and still keep all the other stuff they have...HP, AC, BAB etc. I see it exactly the oposite. Clerics dont have that many enhancement spells for others, especially past low levels, aside from SR and the Immunity spells (DW, FoM). Generally a cleric is going to be more (probably too) useful using his magic offensively, either to buff himself into another fighter, or to kill off enemies directly.</blockquote>

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