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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 2666627" data-attributes="member: 10397">But Clerics can and do fight. So having armor is useful for them. See above. But it is still a disadvantage...you can only control your actions, not the Fighters. And eventually the Fighter types are going to want to...and should be able to..enter combat. At which point your AoEs become less useful d8 versus d4. average 4 per level rather than average 2 per level. And a Cleric isnt going to do much the same? Every character I create has bumped up Con. How exactly? Neither is a Cleric with magic full plate (or magic Vestment) and Shield of Faith etc Whats that got to do with you overestimating the usefulness of AoE damage spells? Yea they are. Just not damage dealing-spell spell casting powerhouses.Even if they werent, they are enough so that compliled with the durability you mentioned, they are unbalanced</blockquote>